Why all the hate on .40

[BigMoose]

I hate 40 because the internet told me to...

Wait what? LOL

Who drug this thread up.

Well let me say again 40S&W sucks!

9mm bullet development has taken any performance benefit away from it.
It costs more.
And if its going to cost more, you might as well go 10MM... Hi point now has 10MM pistols and carbines.

 

[firecadet613]

9mm bullet development has taken any performance benefit away from it.

This, right here. HUGE developments in 9mm have all but killed the 40...

 

[88E30M50]

9mm bullet development has taken it from inadequate to good enough. That same development has taken .40 from good enough to great and .45 from great to still great.

It's funny to hear the 9mm guys keep reassuring themselves about their life's choices. Yes, yes, your little 9mm is a good caliber. After all, it's not the size but what you do with it, right?

All said in good fun.

There's room for all calibers in the world.

 

[Gunaddict]

I have to say I like the .40 S&W as well. I like all calibers really and think they all have their own niche. Have not ventured into 10mm yet, but I am sure I will assimilate just fine.

 

[loudgroove]

I have to say I like the .40 S&W as well. I like all calibers really and think they all have their own niche. Have not ventured into 10mm yet, but I am sure I will assimilate just fine.

I'm thinking the 10mm will be my next purchase. lol

 

[TLHelmer]

I'm thinking the 10mm will be my next purchase. lol

So many choices!

 

[BigMoose]

I'm thinking the 10mm will be my next purchase. lol

10mm is awesome. It is the only automatic commonly available pistol caliber I would trust to take a lot of North American big game with.

That is where 10mm shines. Because there are other things then two legged weasels that need shootin sometimes. it does things on bigger animals that I would never trust 9,45, or 40 to do.

Yes you will actually have to track down 10mm truly loaded to the high end of 10mm spec. I just saw two texas boars slammed down hard last weekend with Underwood 10mm loads from a Hi Point carbine.

The Caliber war was over as soon as 10mm came out.

 

[loudgroove]

10mm is awesome. It is the only automatic commonly available pistol caliber I would trust to take a lot of North American big game with.

That is where 10mm shines. Because there are other things then two legged weasels that need shootin sometimes. it does things on bigger animals that I would never trust 9,45, or 40 to do.

Yes you will actually have to track down 10mm truly loaded to the high end of 10mm spec. I just saw two texas boars slammed down hard last weekend with Underwood 10mm loads from a Hi Point carbine.

The Caliber war was over as soon as 10mm came out.

I'm seriously looking at the Springfield 10MM XDME 3.8 COMPACT.

 

[DadSmith]

I'm thinking the 10mm will be my next purchase. lol

That's the ticket.

 

[YoungMilsurpGuy]

I'm seriously looking at the Springfield 10MM XDME 3.8 COMPACT.

A 10mm springfield compact? Really?

Why go with such a short barrel length you aren't gonna take full advantage of 10mm power. Might as well get a .40 or .45 in that case

 

[loudgroove]

A 10mm springfield compact? Really?

Why go with such a short barrel length you aren't gonna take full advantage of 10mm power. Might as well get a .40 or .45 in that case

Yeah for CC. And most likely will get a full size one down the road. And I do have both .40 and .45 already.

 

[88E30M50]

A 10mm springfield compact? Really?

Why go with such a short barrel length you aren't gonna take full advantage of 10mm power. Might as well get a .40 or .45 in that case

You could argue that the shorter barrel benefits from 10mm power to achieve velocity faster.

 

[DadSmith]

You could argue that the shorter barrel benefits from 10mm power to achieve velocity faster.

357mag in a snubnose does improve the velocity over a 38 special.
It's usually around 200-300fps more velocity depending on weight of bullet used.
That could be the difference between a hollow point expanding properly or acting like a fmj.

If it's for bear defense it will definitely give you deeper penetration with a Hardcast bullet.

So even if it's a shorter barrel the benefits of running full power 10mm loads in it will definitely make a difference vs 40S&W. You can run a 40S&W at +p or +p+ to achieve that velocity. But that might not be to good on your 40S&W handgun.
Still going to be hard to beat handloaded 10mm or Underwood/Buffalo Bore ammunition with a 40S&W in a 3.8" barrel.

 

[Ghostface]

You could argue that the shorter barrel benefits from 10mm power to achieve velocity faster.

A 10mm is always going to have at least a 200 fps (full power ammo) advantage over a .40 regardless of barrel length. I just ordered a P320 XTen Comp and it has a 3.8 inch a barrel, it’ll be my first 10mm. I wanted one since I first fired a friends delta elite in 1990…

 

[loudgroove]

A 10mm is always going to have at least a 200 fps (full power ammo) advantage over a .40 regardless of barrel length. I just ordered a P320 XTen Comp and it has a 3.8 inch a barrel, it’ll be my first 10mm. I wanted one since I first fired a friends delta elite in 1990…

My thinking is. The right tool for the job. If CC is the job, you need a compact. If carrying around in bear country is the job. You need a full frame. If both are the job, buy both. lol Most compacts seem to fit my hands better than full frame. That is if the grips are long enough. I must say though, I haven't held a 1911 in .45 that I didn't like. But over all my G3c in .40 not only fits my hands better than most of what I own, I really enjoy shooting it also.

 

[Codyf44]

Glock 23 was my second pistol years ago. With the mindset of best of both world of 9 and .45 but I couldn’t shoot it worth a crap! Ended up later getting a Walther ppq 9mm. Haven’t had a Glock or .40 since haha

 

[Bluedragon]

Glock 23 was my second pistol years ago. With the mindset of best of both world of 9 and .45 but I couldn’t shoot it worth a crap! Ended up later getting a Walther ppq 9mm. Haven’t had a Glock or .40 since haha

If you ever look at 40sw again.... give it a try in the Sig Sauer P229. It has very manageable recoil in 40 while also being the same size as a G23.

Not sure if you read the previous posts in this thread but the P229 can also be made into a 357 sig or 9mm by simple barrel and magazine swaps depending on if you want to shoot 9mm. The 40 and 357 Sig use the same factory mag.

 

[ECS686]

If you ever look at 40sw again.... give it a try in the Sig Sauer P229. It has very manageable recoil in 40 while also being the same size as a G23.

Not sure if you read the previous posts in this thread but the P229 can also be made into a 357 sig or 9mm by simple barrel and magazine swaps depending on if you want to shoot 9mm. The 40 and 357 Sig use the same factory mag.

Politely just adding in case anyone didn’t know specifically. If one wants to do that make sure you get a 40 chambered 229 a 9mm you can’t go up to a 40 from a 9mm breech but you can go down from 40

 

[Bluedragon]

Politely just adding in case anyone didn’t know specifically. If one wants to do that make sure you get a 40 chambered 229 a 9mm you can’t go up to a 40 from a 9mm breech but you can go down from 40

Thank you for the clarification, that had slipped my mind.

 

[Griz375]

So i just got a police surplus glock 22, gun has minimal holster wear and looks unfired for like $260, but everyone seems to hate .40 with a passion, but why?

I understand there's more recoil and it can be if it's happy, and in compact and subcompact guns it sucks to shoot, but it doesn't seem that bad in service pistols.

The ammo isn't incredibly expensive and available. It's easy enough to shoot in a a full size gun. It seems to perform better then 9mm with barrier penetration and even cheap .40 JHPs perform as well as if not better then 9mm. Even the flat nose .40 FMJ is not a horrible defensive round(over penetration aside6
).

I get people who call it .40 Short and Weak and want to carry full house 10mm and it's good for hunting. but looking at most ammunition, testing, full power 10 mm either over expands or over penetrates with most modern defensive ammunition.

And the well regarded defensive/duty JHP loadings in 10mm are running more or less at hot .40 S&W velocities.

I understand why people don't like it for concealed carry, but why all the hate?

If ai had to use it as a cop gun, or in a home defense pistol it seems like it is a good middle of the round round for that purpose

No hate here - just don't need another calibre to load for.
Performance-wise it's a very adequate round for pretty much any task you might want a handgun for.