Drug test to attend homecoming dance?

[Cameramonkey]

I'll ask again, would you work under a stoned Ironworker or rig picks for or work under a stoned crain operator?
Somewhere where being impaired has the chance of impacting other workers.

How about a on duty stoned State Trooper?

Of course not. And as I responded to the first confusion, I wouldnt want to work under an operator after only one beer or one who was stoned. But why do you keep going back to the impaired person angle? Please elaborate why you keep going down that path.

 

[Creedmoor]

Like Colorado School of Mimes?

 

[Creedmoor]

Of course not. And as I responded to the first confusion, I wouldnt want to work under an operator after only one beer or one who was stoned. But why do you keep going back to the impaired person angle? Please elaborate why you keep going down that path.

Not that you have to but, You didnt respond.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Not that you have to but, You didnt respond.

Yes I did.

I also wouldn’t want somebody who had a beer at lunch running that thing either.

Also. Meaning I agree and I ALSO think the operator shouldnt have even one beer in his system.

 

[bwframe]

Even if we (foolishly) legalized pot. wouldn't there be an age limitation, the same as alcohol?

Wouldn't we still be talking about THE PROBLEM that is intoxicated youths at school functions? Again, I'm sure the school wants nothing to do with the drug testing of students. Drug testing has got to be a huge procedural, labor intensive, PIA. Not to mention the emotion (as expressed in this thread,) and tangents involved in such?

Maybe the school should just cancel school related social activities? Leave it to students and their family handle social events totally separate from school and and anything school related?

Add in the relatively new, yet real, death threat of fentanyl to the age old problem of teenagers wanting to "act adult" by chemically intoxicating and it further promotes the thought of schools getting out of the social business and back to their real work of reading and writing. Along with math and accounting and history, aren't the schools over extended and in need of concentrating on the basics of their real job?


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[nonobaddog]

Even if we (foolishly) legalized pot. wouldn't there be an age limitation, the same as alcohol?

Wouldn't we still be talking about THE PROBLEM that is intoxicated youths at school functions? Again, I'm sure the school wants nothing to do with the drug testing of students. Drug testing has got to be a huge procedural, labor intensive, PIA. Not to mention the emotion (as expressed in this thread,) and tangents involved in such?

Maybe the school should just cancel school related social activities? Leave it to students and their family handle social events totally separate from school and and anything school related?

Add in the relatively new, yet real, death threat of fentanyl to the age old problem of teenagers wanting to "act adult" by chemically intoxicating and it further promotes the thought of schools getting out of the social business and back to their real work of reading and writing. Along with math and accounting and history, aren't the schools over extended and in need of concentrating on the basics of their real job?


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Have you been paying attention to what the schools are doing these days? - all the way from kindergarten to universities and med schools.

 

[bwframe]

Have you been paying attention to what the schools are doing these days? - all the way from kindergarten to universities and med schools.

I certainly have. It's why I posted what I did.

No idea what you a talking about though?


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[nonobaddog]

The whole education system is so polluted, they are nowhere even close to getting back to your dream of teaching relevant subjects. They are too busy grooming, woking and propagandizing to think about education. They are not overextended, they are out of control.

 

[Shadow01]

Does a church service at a school become a government sponsored activity?

Good question.

what about open swimming?
Does the local golf course become property controlled by rules and laws for school grounds during a match? Like no guns within x feet of schools.

 

[Shadow01]

Even if we (foolishly) legalized pot. wouldn't there be an age limitation, the same as alcohol?

Wouldn't we still be talking about THE PROBLEM that is intoxicated youths at school functions? Again, I'm sure the school wants nothing to do with the drug testing of students. Drug testing has got to be a huge procedural, labor intensive, PIA. Not to mention the emotion (as expressed in this thread,) and tangents involved in such?

Maybe the school should just cancel school related social activities? Leave it to students and their family handle social events totally separate from school and and anything school related?

Add in the relatively new, yet real, death threat of fentanyl to the age old problem of teenagers wanting to "act adult" by chemically intoxicating and it further promotes the thought of schools getting out of the social business and back to their real work of reading and writing. Along with math and accounting and history, aren't the schools over extended and in need of concentrating on the basics of their real job?


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I have never supported random testing. You want to test? Fine, test everyone clear to the top superintendent and the janitor at the bottom along with every student. Same for any other work place. If you say it is too expensive, then your goal is not worthy of pursuing.

 

[bwframe]

I have never supported random testing. You want to test? Fine, test everyone clear to the top superintendent and the janitor at the bottom along with every student. Same for any other work place. If you say it is too expensive, then your goal is not worthy of pursuing.

It'd be great if there was no talk at all about drug testing in school. I don't care whether they drug test or not, but the schools don't have a choice. The rampant drug use among students forces testing to take the school out of the liability loop. It's that simple.


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[KLB]

I don't care whether they drug test or not, but the schools don't have a choice. The rampant drug use among students forces testing to take the school out of the liability loop. It's that simple.


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Then why aren't they testing students before they can come to school?

 

[nonobaddog]

Then why aren't they testing students before they can come to school?

That's racist.

 

[Creedmoor]

It'd be great if there was no talk at all about drug testing in school. I don't care whether they drug test or not, but the schools don't have a choice. The rampant drug use among students forces testing to take the school out of the liability loop. It's that simple.


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What business is it of the school systems what a student or faculty does on there own time?

Be more like Walmart with weed, they dont test for it for employment. And if it looks like someone is under the influence at least two managers have to see it. Then they move forward with testing.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Good question.

what about open swimming?
Does the local golf course become property controlled by rules and laws for school grounds during a match? Like no guns within x feet of schools.

I'd love to see a test case on that one.
At least in Indiana, the school gun ban extends to property used for an official event. But I dont recall it specifying exclusive use/access. (e.g. do they have to close the golf course to outside players for it to apply?)

So I'm playing a round and I'm strapped like I normally am. Suddenly a Karen calls the cops because her precious snowflakes are threatened by a MWAG because one of them saw it on my belt. Yet I had no warning. I was on the back 9 when the bus pulled in and students suddenly show up at my tee to do a shotgun start for their match. By the letter of the law, it appears that I just became part of a sanctioned school event and am instantly in violation of the law.

But honestly in that case I suspect a reasonable officer would simply tell me to go lock it in the car before continuing my game.

 

[Creedmoor]

By the letter of the law, it appears that I just became part of a sanctioned school event and am instantly in violation of the law.

But honestly in that case I suspect a reasonable officer would simply tell me to go lock it in the car before continuing my game.

Was not aware you were a Senators Son.

 

[nonobaddog]

But honestly in that case I suspect a reasonable officer would simply tell me to go lock it in the car before continuing my game.

There is the real crap shoot - do you get a reasonable one or some other type? This comes with big consequences.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

I'd love to see a test case on that one.
At least in Indiana, the school gun ban extends to property used for an official event. But I dont recall it specifying exclusive use/access. (e.g. do they have to close the golf course to outside players for it to apply?)

So I'm playing a round and I'm strapped like I normally am. Suddenly a Karen calls the cops because her precious snowflakes are threatened by a MWAG because one of them saw it on my belt. Yet I had no warning. I was on the back 9 when the bus pulled in and students suddenly show up at my tee to do a shotgun start for their match. By the letter of the law, it appears that I just became part of a sanctioned school event and am instantly in violation of the law.

But honestly in that case I suspect a reasonable officer would simply tell me to go lock it in the car before continuing my game.

It used to be like that in IN. They did away with the "roaming school zone" several years back. Here is the current definition of "school property".
IC 35-31.5-2-285"School property"

Sec. 285. "School property" means the following:
(1) A building or other structure owned or rented by:
(A) a school corporation;
(B) an entity that is required to be licensed under IC 12-17.2 or IC 31-27;
(C) a private school that is not supported and maintained by funds realized from the imposition of a tax on property, income, or sales; or
(D) a federal, state, local, or nonprofit program or service operated to serve, assist, or otherwise benefit children who are at least three (3) years of age and not yet enrolled in kindergarten, including the following:
(i) A Head Start program under 42 U.S.C. 9831 et seq.
(ii) A special education preschool program.
(iii) A developmental child care program for preschool children.
(2) The grounds adjacent to and owned or rented in common with a building or other structure described in subdivision (1).

 

[Cameramonkey]

It used to be like that in IN. They did away with the "roaming school zone" several years back. Here is the current definition of "school property".
IC 35-31.5-2-285"School property"

Sec. 285. "School property" means the following:
(1) A building or other structure owned or rented by:
(A) a school corporation;
(B) an entity that is required to be licensed under IC 12-17.2 or IC 31-27;
(C) a private school that is not supported and maintained by funds realized from the imposition of a tax on property, income, or sales; or
(D) a federal, state, local, or nonprofit program or service operated to serve, assist, or otherwise benefit children who are at least three (3) years of age and not yet enrolled in kindergarten, including the following:
(i) A Head Start program under 42 U.S.C. 9831 et seq.
(ii) A special education preschool program.
(iii) A developmental child care program for preschool children.
(2) The grounds adjacent to and owned or rented in common with a building or other structure described in subdivision (1).

I stand corrected. Thanks.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

I stand corrected. Thanks.

More than welcome. How it used to be you could be sitting in a fast food restaurant and a field trip stops in for lunch and boom instant felony. I remember it being discussed on INGO but I think it may have been just before your time here.