Active Shooter Drug History

[Trapper Jim]

Not public records.
Privacy act...and all that

No, thinking that correlation equals causation, especially when mass shootings correlate far more with firearms than drugs of any type is far closer to stupid. So, is complaining about the antis targeting firearms and then turning around and targeting things we don't know and understand.

Instead, how about we put the blame firmly where it belongs, on the POS that chose to commit mass murder? No guns, drugs, video games or anything else made him pull the trigger, he alone chose to do so and he alone is responsible.

Of course the POS made the choice to commit this awful carnage. But at the end of the day, it is us, the good voting free America, that is responsible for the victims. We as a society enabled this turn of events. It’s on us, just like we enable the criminal to break every other law on our books. It’s on us that the school was not secure enough. Complacency? After all, we know the Looneys are out there. We simply can’t or won’t put our heads (money) together to fix it.

Dead Presidents on currency are to blame. Follow the money. We would rather fix the world than our own problems here at home. We know the answer is not gun control but people control. How do we get people control in this country? It didn’t work for the Nazis.

One thing is for sure. This creep didn’t use Black Powder Pistols. No matter what your political stance is, that’s on us as well. If we are going to breed evil and then somehow provide the tools to make evils job easier, that’s on us.

No, there are no quick answers to a problem that took us over 200 years to grow. May God help us with a solid plan for the future of my Grandchildren’s children.

It’s far from over, as our representatives squabble
over political fear of losing votes and their jobs, the next attack plans could be in the works


I wish I had some answers, I truly do. Gods Grace to all the innocents.

 

[Expat]

You never know if things are true or not but I saw a post on FB supposedly from some page belonging to the shooter. He was dressed up in girl's clothing.

 

[churchmouse]

I locked the other shooter thread and handed out some hammer blows. If this one goes south, it will be the same here.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

You never know if things are true or not but I saw a post on FB supposedly from some page belonging to the shooter. He was dressed up in girl's clothing.

I think that was debunked.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I locked the other shooter thread and handed out some hammer blows. If this one goes south, it will be the same here.

Was it me? It wasn't me was it??

Can anyone see this post??

 

[Expat]

Anyone heard from DD lately?

 

[jwamplerusa]

I'm not in favor of banning them, or suing the pharma companies, or anything like that.

I am.

Drugging up the citizenry is not a protected Right, the second amendment is. That protected Right is being threatened by this s***.

 

[d.kaufman]

Lengthy, but a good read.

An Uncomfortable Truth: Does the Rise of Antidepressants and SSRIs Fuel Mass Shootings?

According to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), a mass murder occurs when at least four people are murdered.

www.psychreg.org

 

[ancjr]

The liberal "It takes a village" thinking bolsters this mentality of kids raising themselves.

Letting the village raise your children used to be called neglect. Modern times.

 

[Ark]

URGENT: The New York Times has edited out its reference to Salvador Ramos's cannabis use

The Times’s main story on the Uvalde shooting, as of approximately 5 p.m. yesterday: The relevant sentence: — The Times’s main story, now: See i…

alexberenson.substack.com

NYT edited out the current shooter's marijuana history. Dunno how much I agree with Berenson on this specific angle but he's argued for a link between psychosis and marijuana use in the past.

Unsurprisingly, dirtbaggery and drugs go together, be it booze or pills or needles or weed.

 

[Expat]

URGENT: The New York Times has edited out its reference to Salvador Ramos's cannabis use

The Times’s main story on the Uvalde shooting, as of approximately 5 p.m. yesterday: The relevant sentence: — The Times’s main story, now: See i…

alexberenson.substack.com

NYT edited out the current shooter's marijuana history. Dunno how much I agree with Berenson on this specific angle but he's argued for a link between psychosis and marijuana use in the past.

Unsurprisingly, dirtbaggery and drugs go together, be it booze or pills or needles or weed.

In the comments I found this then…

Two teens arrested in 'mass casualty' plot in 2018 targeting a Uvalde middle school

One of the students had numerous writings and drawings which depicted weapons capable of causing mass destruction. He wrote about being "God-like" and killing police and other persons.

www.kens5.com

 

[tackdriver]

Grade-school shootings by kids correlate precisely with antidepressant approval and use in kids beginning in the late 80s.
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There have been "problem kids" since the beginning of time. That hasn't changed. What has changed, is how we treat and medicate them.

Hmmm... wonder how this also correlates with the diminishing authority to discipline students. For that matter the Parents right and/or willingness to discipline their own children? Seems like the late 70's and early 80's saw a pretty big shift. now give that some years to sink into the social fabric, and...

(Don't misunderstand - I'm NOT in favor of physically or emotionally abusing children. That's another thing to me.)

I don't disagree with the discussion on drugs. However, the concepts of Duty, Responsibility, Accountability, and Consequences seems to disapear in action. These take modeling, time, and reinforcement to become ingrained. The wiring we get early has a huge effect on what we think is acceptable, and what we will consider doing or not doing, later.

Seems to me that reinforcing the above concepts may have the biggest effect, then use the drug/therapy tools as needed or in unique cases.

Uh Oh...the former requires adults who understand and value the concepts, and can pass it on in the kids life. The latter only requires money, a Dr., and a prescription pad. I see which path has been winning. Changing coarse is not going to be easy.

 

[Twangbanger]

Hmmm... wonder how this also correlates with the diminishing authority to discipline students. For that matter the Parents right and/or willingness to discipline their own children? Seems like the late 70's and early 80's saw a pretty big shift. now give that some years to sink into the social fabric, and...

(Don't misunderstand - I'm NOT in favor of physically or emotionally abusing children. That's another thing to me.)

I don't disagree with the discussion on drugs. However, the concepts of Duty, Responsibility, Accountability, and Consequences seems to disapear in action. These take modeling, time, and reinforcement to become ingrained. The wiring we get early has a huge effect on what we think is acceptable, and what we will consider doing or not doing, later.

Seems to me that reinforcing the above concepts may have the biggest effect, then use the drug/therapy tools as needed or in unique cases.

Uh Oh...the former requires adults who understand and value the concepts, and can pass it on in the kids life. The latter only requires money, a Dr., and a prescription pad. I see which path has been winning. Changing coarse is not going to be easy.

Because we're rational, we are constantly going to find ourselves on the side of advocating things that are "difficult," while the other side makes recourse to "easy ways out." What is frustrating, is that the current situation is the result of a long chain of past decisions, where at each point humans decided to take the easy way. We're 16 turns deep into the rabbit-hole of easy decision-making that made things worse, and yet we are still cranking out more easy answers. Because as a society, we've simply forgotten how to do anything hard and no longer have the collective discipline for it.

So we just keep digging the hole. Each time it gets a little deeper, we get more easy answers. We didn't want to be in this hole in the first place, but the people whose idea it was to go here, just keep trying to shove more easy answers down our throat.

 

[Ark]

In the comments I found this then…

Two teens arrested in 'mass casualty' plot in 2018 targeting a Uvalde middle school

One of the students had numerous writings and drawings which depicted weapons capable of causing mass destruction. He wrote about being "God-like" and killing police and other persons.

www.kens5.com

Hmm, aged 14 and 13, four years ago. That's an interesting coincidence.

 

[Tombs]

Do you blame babies for sh****g their pants? The mentally ill are not able to take the blame either, then they are given drugs by the system and sent back out to do what they do. It is not an inanimate objects fault it was used to kill, but that is way different than blaming prescribing drugs then sending them out…

No amount of drugs will make you kill someone.

It's in you to commit this kind of act, or it isn't. The drugs might bring that to the surface faster, but there's something seriously wrong in that individual that the drugs aren't responsible for.

I think it's pretty evident just looking at how hostile and on edge society is today compared to 20 years ago. People are ready to murder or destroy someone's life at the drop of a hat with little to no provocation today.

Now take this level of angst in society and add someone with no moral restraint to the pot, and you get things like we're seeing.

 

[jbombelli]

URGENT: The New York Times has edited out its reference to Salvador Ramos's cannabis use

The Times’s main story on the Uvalde shooting, as of approximately 5 p.m. yesterday: The relevant sentence: — The Times’s main story, now: See i…

alexberenson.substack.com

NYT edited out the current shooter's marijuana history. Dunno how much I agree with Berenson on this specific angle but he's argued for a link between psychosis and marijuana use in the past.

Unsurprisingly, dirtbaggery and drugs go together, be it booze or pills or needles or weed.

Millions of people across this country smoke weed, and millions of people don't go on shooting rampages. Funny thing about mass shooters though, they all have guns.

Unsurprisingly, mass shooters and guns go together.

 

[tackdriver]

Hmm, aged 14 and 13, four years ago. That's an interesting coincidence.

...and the original plan was for 2022? I REALLY want to know if the current shooter was one of the two arrested, or if he was friends with them, or ...

 

[tackdriver]

Millions of people across this country smoke weed, and millions of people don't go on shooting rampages. Funny thing about mass shooters though, they all have guns.

Unsurprisingly, mass shooters and guns go together.

1. My take-away was that the MSM is actively massaging, grooming, the story to fit their agenda. It wasn't that "weed is evil".

2. Thousands of of years of history shows that mass killings and guns DON'T need to go together. It's only when you specify with the term 'shooting' that they do. Assuming that 'shooting' doesn't include basketballs and the like, it's self determining language - like 'auto-accident' involves an automobile.

However, if your triggered by the reference to weed, and want to discuss the historical correlation between weed and violent crime, we can start a new thread. I don't have data now, but I'll guess that more murders are related to weed (growing, distribution and sales, use) than to 'mass shooters'.

 

[tackdriver]

Hardly any, if any at all, of troubled kids are raised by two parents that actually parent. Kids need supervision and direction, it's the parent's job.

When we think back, a lot of these troubled youths have been the result of the normalization of divorce, split custody the "me, me, me" mentality and all of the excuses that go along with it. The family coming first and the hard work that it takes to maintain it has been lost. Thus we have more and more and more lost youth, "raised" with little or no parenting.

The liberal "It takes a village" thinking bolsters this mentality of kids raising themselves. Sadly, we now have lost kids, that never had parenting, "parenting" kids of their own. Often in single parent homes. It's recipe for mental problems and here we are...


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Agreed.

There have always been "troubled youths" (I may have known one or two). I think it's the Magnitude of the damage they cause, and the lack of personal accountability that's changed in my lifetime. There's a big difference between a little vandalism or other juvinile rebellion, and a mass shooting. Spray painting the school no longer has any impact (except for the person that has to clean it off).

In many societies "It takes a village" means that a neighbor, shopkeeper, or about any other adult can discipline a kid that's acting up. They also apply pressure to the parents to deal with the problem. American Libs that spout this phrase have no clue what it means. (Shock!!! )

 

[jbombelli]

1. My take-away was that the MSM is actively massaging, grooming, the story to fit their agenda. It wasn't that "weed is evil".

2. Thousands of of years of history shows that mass killings and guns DON'T need to go together. It's only when you specify with the term 'shooting' that they do. Assuming that 'shooting' doesn't include basketballs and the like, it's self determining language - like 'auto-accident' involves an automobile.

However, if your triggered by the reference to weed, and want to discuss the historical correlation between weed to violent crime, we can start a new thread. I don't have data now, but I'll guess that more murders are related to weed (growing, distribution and sales, use) than to 'mass shooters'.

First, people that don't smoke weed, or take other drugs, have been killing each other for thousands of years too. The people that kill each other in the drug trade are doing it over the money, not the drugs. Maybe we should ban money since so many people kill each other over it? (add purple if needed)

Second, MSM massages everything to fit their agenda. They are just about incapable of telling the truth about anything anymore. And yeah, I intentionally used the term mass shooters, not mass murderers, as an example of massaging language to fit an agenda. Because this is a gun forum specifically. I probably could have done a better job, but it was 6 am and I'm operating on 4 hours of sleep after working all day yesterday.

Lastly, some people are just evil; there is no explanation needed beyond that. But so many of us these days seem to think that there has to be some root cause, so they can "fix" it, when in reality the only real fix is to just put someone down the moment they start showing signs. But that would make us as bad as them.

That leaves us with only one real course of action that doesn't make us evil too, and that's to arm up, train, and be prepared to destroy evil the moment it comes our way. This means everyone, not just a small percentage of us. If everyone stood up, evil would lose. But instead most people cower in their homes expecting others to stand up for them. And 20+ dead in Uvalde is the result.