Our Nation’s Teachers Are Hustling to Survive

[hoosierdoc]

Also, another consideration. Like so many of the rest of our public servants, the teaching industry seems to be pretty top heavy in their administration?


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And what is union membership rate? Teachers unions supposedly wield all sorts of power. Is that not true? Why not get them raises?

 

[Leo]

People that whine about their pay being so low often have pretty exorbitant cost of living expenses.

Even if they don't have crazy high mortgage, rent or auto payments, they may well be throwing away money at other things? Cellular, cable, eating out bills are just part of normal life, right?

Lotta folks now days weren't raised to live on any kind of budget, let alone cut it. Especially with the Biden inflation, I can attest that all bills have increased. Eating out has doubled, if not more. Around the same as gas prices.

I'm out of touch with the costs of smoking or drinking or junk food these days, but can only guess that they have increased also?


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You do have a point that affects more than we would think.

I counsel young married couples in financial distress. Many are bright, at least partially college educated with reasonable jobs. You are right, they are clueless. With all the accredited public schools, how could that happen? A simple 8th grade home ec. class would have given them the tools to manage.

"We cannot afford baby diapers", but you look at their lifestyle, 3 or 4 starbucks drinks is $25 or $30 a day, $600 a month. For coffee. Buy a coffee pot and a bag of sugar. I carry a pint thermos in my brief case. They think $250 for a dinner and a show on a regular basis is a Constitutional right. Add a couple of $400 to $500 car payments and school loans, and they have no margin to absorb double gas prices and higher taxes, or buy diapers. The truly sad cases are the ones with no skills, very little incomes that are already eating Ramen noodles and drinking tap water, that also happen to be pregnant again.

 

[Hookeye]

Liberal policies and admins have run many a good teacher out. Now just about all thats left are a bunch of whiners.

I dont feel sorry for the teachers union or their members.

Would not send my kids to public school in this day and age.

The more liberals that starve the better.

Know one that got her masters, has lots of debt.....cant figure it out, but thinks she should get her doctorate.

A life of poor decisions and exclusive behavior, and a watered down education.

Yeah, she seems to be the norm for a public school teacher these days.

The good ones have bailed.

 

[Hookeye]

When Trump won quite a few teachers where my ol lady used to teach....cried openly, threw tantrums and screamed at students.

Not kidding.

The public schools are ruined, pretty much just juvi detention centers, catering to the protected class.

It aint by accident, this social engineering.

My kids did well but said they saw the changes coming on fast a decade ago, glad they made it through as it was total crap soon after.

 

[Hookeye]

Bidens " winter of death "...maybe he was talking about no heat and starvation.....coming to liberal teachers?

Dont feel sorry for any of em. Met too many. Pizz on em all.

Biden voters need to suffer for their sins.

 

[Shadow01]

When you realize the drive to the extreme left by your peers has adversely affected your income potential…

 

[Hookeye]

Private conservative school or home school.

The only two options these days IMHO.

 

[wcd]

Private conservative school or home school.

The only two options these days IMHO.

There are a few colleges out there, Hillsdale comes to mind.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Now speaking to bwframe's post I do agree that we can't keep raising pay just to have irresponsible people continue to live outside their means but when the issue is not a few outliers but the fundamental lifestyle of an entire career field then we have to decide as a society how much do we really value the role educators play in our future as a nation. I'd like to think we could connect better earning opportunity to quantifiable excellence in education but I'm pretty sure teachers unions would kill that notion before it ever had a chance.

Fundamental lifestyle of an entire career field? Per that article less than 1 in 5 work a second job. And for about half of those it's the equivalent for any other non salaried job working overtime.

Not sure where you motion of no nights or weekends came from? Certainly not the case here! Summers off no not quite there either. No working in the bitter cold ok maybe, no working in hot weather no not quite.

Let’s talk about unpaid hours there are plenty of those as,well, professional development hours yeah those are with out pay, prep periods, no not those either, then throw it the having to deal with the let’s be Gay crowd( the LGBT club that will not accept that not everyone is pronoun)

volunteer hours as well, so yeah that $45k a year that is living large.

No idea about where you are, but around here yes they get summers off. Quite a few do choose to work seasonal employment though. Other professions have professional development hours as well, police/lawyers/nurses even preschool teachers, you want to talk about underpaid? Around me preschool teachers would love to get close to $45k a year, and yes I'm talking about those with degrees.

HS teachers around here also get at least an hour a day prep time, frequently more.

I mentioned nurses up thread. There is a nursing position available full time, for a school corp that is offering 35-40k a year. Most of the teaching positions start at 40k or more a year on the low end, although there were a couple I seen that were $37-38k and well over 40k on the high end of the range. Here is the list.

Apply online via Nimble

app.hirenimble.com

 

[wcd]

Fundamental lifestyle of an entire career field? Per that article less than 1 in 5 work a second job. And for about half of those it's the equivalent for any other non salaried job working overtime.

No idea about where you are, but around here yes they get summers off. Quite a few do choose to work seasonal employment though. Other professions have professional development hours as well, police/lawyers/nurses even preschool teachers, you want to talk about underpaid? Around me preschool teachers would love to get close to $45k a year, and yes I'm talking about those with degrees.

HS teachers around here also get at least an hour a day prep time, frequently more.

I mentioned nurses up thread. There is a nursing position available full time, for a school corp that is offering 35-40k a year. Most of the teaching positions start at 40k or more a year on the low end, although there were a couple I seen that were $37-38k and well over 40k on the high end of the range. Here is the list.

Apply online via Nimble

app.hirenimble.com

Geography is a huge factor. My wife’s prep hours are spent covering class rooms with out any subs. Lesson planning is done on weekends, grades etc are done in the evening at home, and do not forget required volunteer hours.

 

[churchmouse]

Agreed,
I had a second job for 17 years.

I have always had multiple revenue streams and I was a union scale HVAC tech. If you want more, you go out and get it. That means working more.

The article didn't address 9-month versus 12-month earning potential. It recounts how teachers with college degrees earn so much less than a comparably degreed career and as a result have to have evening and weekend jobs to make ends meet. No doubt they can kick it up to full time in the summer but that's not justification for shortchanging the people we glibly extol as shaping the future. Good feelings only go so far. Then the ones that finally have enough of the financial struggle leave education entirely because it just won't get better. The heart of the article is how this side hustle for teachers is often unspoken but basically socially accepted as the

I believe summer break is closer to 2 months now.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Geography is a huge factor. My wife’s prep hours are spent covering class rooms with out any subs. Lesson planning is done on weekends, grades etc are done in the evening at home, and do not forget required volunteer hours.

Yep geography does factor in. Which is why I mentioned it. And not forgetting the volunteer hours, but I'm sure those are factored into the contract. Just like any other salaried employee.

I have always had multiple revenue streams and I was a union scale HVAC tech. If you want more, you go out and get it. That means working more.


I believe summer break is closer to 2 months now.

A bit over 2 months here, but there is also 4 weeks during the school year they are off. Fall vacation 1 week, Christmas 2 weeks, and spring break 1 week. They do also get paid sick/personal days and at least some get a week or more vacation that they can take.

 

[wcd]

Yep geography does factor in. Which is why I mentioned it. And not forgetting the volunteer hours, but I'm sure those are factored into the contract. Just like any other salaried employee.

A bit over 2 months here, but there is also 4 weeks during the school year they are off. Fall vacation 1 week, Christmas 2 weeks, and spring break 1 week. They do also get paid sick/personal days and at least some get a week or more vacation that they can take.

Yes location is paramount salaries vary even by county here, teaching in the 2nd wealthiest county in the state one would think, that salaries would be more competitive here.

My wife is considering teaching at the college level versus staying at the daycare.

 

[BigRed]

But, that’s exactly what you get at this salary level, unless you happen to find that pure soul that just wants to make the world a better place.
Can also replace “pure soul” with “highly motivated liberal activist type”

I will refer back to the title of the article itslef.

What are the "nations teachers"?

Would the value delivered and pay for value delivered be better if nationalized?

 

[BigRed]

I can’t really think of any other profession that complains more about how rough they have it than teachers.

I can think of several public employees that complain even more.

 

[Magneto]

Now I want some Polly's Freeze ice cream. Thanks.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Also, another consideration. Like so many of the rest of our public servants, the teaching industry seems to be pretty top heavy in their administration?


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THIS. Fire a crap ton of administrators (many of which making 6 figures) and we could pay the teachers a bit more.

And probably make their jobs easier as well.

I believe back in the 80s and early 90s my experience was that the teachers did very well at their jobs with only the principal and his assitant, super and asst, 2 or 3 clerical staff, plus the school board.

Now we have an enough extra administrative positions to staff an entire other school building if they were put to work teaching. An org THAT top heavy consumes a LOT of cash.

 

[bwframe]

I have always had multiple revenue streams and I was a union scale HVAC tech. If you want more, you go out and get it. That means working more.


I believe summer break is closer to 2 months now.

I don't think the number of days worked a year has changed though? Just spread around a little more. Spring break, fall break, every other week seems to have some odd excuse to have some sort of holiday? After the scamdemic, it seems as though they can declare an "e-learning day" at will? This last year, every hint of a chance of a weather threat, school was called off for e-learning the day before.



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[Super Bee]

My wife’s prep hours are spent covering class rooms with out any subs. Lesson planning is done on weekends, grades etc are done in the evening at home, and do not forget required volunteer hours.e is also

I see this exact thing as well.

My wife is also a teacher. . . a professor at a local university. While she does teach four classes, some classes have 30 plus students. She will be at the computer until 10 pm at night and up at 500 am working. Grading, answering e-mails, arranging observations and any other bull**** they can dump on her. It is not even close to a 40 hour work week.

The real ****** part is she is a adjunct professor. Most professors in her department only teach 1 or 2 classes but keep office hours, they are the ones making $80K on up. They pawn off all the bull**** onto the adjuncts who make less than half.

 

[bwframe]

THIS. Fire a crap ton of administrators (many of which making 6 figures) and we could pay the teachers a bit more.

And probably make their jobs easier as well.

I believe back in the 80s and early 90s my experience was that the teachers did very well at their jobs with only the principal and his assitant, super and asst, 2 or 3 clerical staff, plus the school board.

Now we have an enough extra administrative positions to staff an entire other school building if they were put to work teaching. An org THAT top heavy consumes a LOT of cash.

Wonder what a gender or CRT administrator/councilor salary is currently?

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