IMPD officers arrested.

[Rookie]

Thanks Denny.

 

[churchmouse]

As long as we dont have anymore dating threads lol

Man that was a disaster.

 

[Trigger Time]

Man that was a disaster.

Tell me about it. Some people got the hammer

 

[jclark]

Was gone before that one. My track record for crazy women has been perfect without the aid of technology.

 

[Trigger Time]

Was gone before that one. My track record for crazy women has been perfect without the aid of technology.

LOL

 

[churchmouse]

Tell me about it. Some people got the hammer

A bunch of middle aged stooges acting like they had a shoot at the brass ring. Hilarious.

 

[churchmouse]

Was gone before that one. My track record for crazy women has been perfect without the aid of technology.

I don't hold the record for this but I am an honorable mention.

 

[2A_Tom]

I'm Baaaaaaack,

I lost my avatar when I stole BBI's that he Stole from me. It was on my laptop that died. I had to remake it.

ETA: Is this better Act?

 

[KG1]

It’s misplaced for all we know. Speculation and all of that.

It certainly is speculative at this point. Have'nt heard the other side of the story. Maybe there's a plausible explanation that no one knows about yet. It appears that the Dept. doesn't feel there is one to their satisfaction so they decided to take action. Who knows.

 

[tbhausen]

I read those details in the Star a few days ago but didn’t want to link to them due to the sensitive nature of the situation. That article is the reason I was trying to find the probable cause affidavits. They’re public records, but as of now, only the media seems to be relating the details, which means we get information through their filters. I’d rather read them directly.

 

[jd4320t]

As long as we dont have anymore dating threads lol

 

[KG1]

As long as we dont have anymore dating threads lol

Chuck E. Cheese.

 

[PaulF]

It certainly is speculative at this point. Have'nt heard the other side of the story. Maybe there's a plausible explanation that no one knows about yet. It appears that the Dept. doesn't feel there is one to their satisfaction so they decided to take action. Who knows.

This.

I don't know the situation, but I do know the man. Things don't add up. There is DEFINITELY more to the story.

Look, there are multiple ways a car ends up in the possession of an auto auction. The big auction houses also act as holding and storage lots for repos, bank-owned, and lease turn-in vehicles, in addition to having an inventory of cars owned by the auction itself.

I see a LOT Of used cars from the auction, and I have (personally) found drugs, sex toys, weapons, medical devices...you name it, and that's after the car has been through AT LEAST one auction house.

When "normal" property is left in a car, that property belongs to the buyer of that car. I'm not sure if there are additional or different rules for firearms, but, in general, it's finders keepers with leftover property.

In other words...it may be fully up to the auction how they wish to deal with found property in cars that *they* own. Destroy it, trash it, sell it...turn it over to the cops...whatever. I see nothing untoward about contracting privately to remove those unwanted, legally possessed, items from that ALSo legally-possessed property.

So, hypothetically...lets say I make a good-faith deal with the management of an auction house to take possession of, and responsibility for, the found property that the auction does not want. Now let's say, due to an honest mixup or some confusion, the auction house hands over a gun found in a repo, bank-owned, lease turn-in or other car that *is not* actually owned by the auction...at that point the auction is handing over property that *doesn't actually belong to them*.

In this scenario the property will not likely be reported stolen, and I would have no reasonable way of knowing the property doesn't actually belong to the auction house to give away...until it's too late.

Im holding out judgement until the full details emerge. There is too great a chance, in my opinion, of a confluence of mistakes, political underpinnings, or simple misunderstanding to grab my pitchfork.

Im willing to assume, unless further information presents items, that a really good man got caught up in a really crappy situation.

 

[chezuki]

I read those details in the Star a few days ago but didn’t want to link to them due to the sensitive nature of the situation. That article is the reason I was trying to find the probable cause affidavits. They’re public records, but as of now, only the media seems to be relating the details, which means we get information through their filters. I’d rather read them directly.

Same. I found the article while trying to find the PC affidavit. I resisted posting it for a couple days, but figure most INGO’rs are smart enough to take any media account with a grain of salt.

 

[KG1]

This.

I don't know the situation, but I do know the man. Things don't add up. There is DEFINITELY more to the story.

Look, there are multiple ways a car ends up in the possession of an auto auction. The big auction houses also act as holding and storage lots for repos, bank-owned, and lease turn-in vehicles, in addition to having an inventory of cars owned by the auction itself.

I see a LOT Of used cars from the auction, and I have (personally) found drugs, sex toys, weapons, medical devices...you name it, and that's after the car has been through AT LEAST one auction house.

When "normal" property is left in a car, that property belongs to the buyer of that car. I'm not sure if there are additional or different rules for firearms, but, in general, it's finders keepers with leftover property.

In other words...it may be fully up to the auction how they wish to deal with found property in cars that *they* own. Destroy it, trash it, sell it...turn it over to the cops...whatever. I see nothing untoward about contracting privately to remove those unwanted, legally possessed, items from that ALSo legally-possessed property.

So, hypothetically...lets say I make a good-faith deal with the management of an auction house to take possession of, and responsibility for, the found property that the auction does not want. Now let's say, due to an honest mixup or some confusion, the auction house hands over a gun found in a repo, bank-owned, lease turn-in or other car that *is not* actually owned by the auction...at that point the auction is handing over property that *doesn't actually belong to them*.

In this scenario the property will not likely be reported stolen, and I would have no reasonable way of knowing the property doesn't actually belong to the auction house to give away...until it's too late.

Im holding out judgement until the full details emerge. There is too great a chance, in my opinion, of a confluence of mistakes, political underpinnings, or simple misunderstanding to grab my pitchfork.

Im willing to assume, unless further information presents items, that a really good man got caught up in a really crappy situation.

This is certainly a reasonable position given the fact that you and other members know the individual personally. Even though I do not I have no reason to doubt his character given everything I have come to know about him over the course of many years as a member here.

I too will withhold any judgement until further developments come to light.

 

[Cameramonkey]

This.

I don't know the situation, but I do know the man. Things don't add up. There is DEFINITELY more to the story.

Look, there are multiple ways a car ends up in the possession of an auto auction. The big auction houses also act as holding and storage lots for repos, bank-owned, and lease turn-in vehicles, in addition to having an inventory of cars owned by the auction itself.

I see a LOT Of used cars from the auction, and I have (personally) found drugs, sex toys, weapons, medical devices...you name it, and that's after the car has been through AT LEAST one auction house.

When "normal" property is left in a car, that property belongs to the buyer of that car. I'm not sure if there are additional or different rules for firearms, but, in general, it's finders keepers with leftover property.

In other words...it may be fully up to the auction how they wish to deal with found property in cars that *they* own. Destroy it, trash it, sell it...turn it over to the cops...whatever. I see nothing untoward about contracting privately to remove those unwanted, legally possessed, items from that ALSo legally-possessed property.

So, hypothetically...lets say I make a good-faith deal with the management of an auction house to take possession of, and responsibility for, the found property that the auction does not want. Now let's say, due to an honest mixup or some confusion, the auction house hands over a gun found in a repo, bank-owned, lease turn-in or other car that *is not* actually owned by the auction...at that point the auction is handing over property that *doesn't actually belong to them*.

In this scenario the property will not likely be reported stolen, and I would have no reasonable way of knowing the property doesn't actually belong to the auction house to give away...until it's too late.

Im holding out judgement until the full details emerge. There is too great a chance, in my opinion, of a confluence of mistakes, political underpinnings, or simple misunderstanding to grab my pitchfork.

Im willing to assume, unless further information presents items, that a really good man got caught up in a really crappy situation.

I was thinking along the same lines. Its not stolen, so how is it any different than a computer or toolbox? I too am reserving judgement because there are several ways this could go. He KNOWS that running the serial would tie it to him and that any officer willing to run numbers on a gun they do not have in their possession could get interesting real quick. (supers would wonder why it wasn't logged in to the property room if it was) I know he knows this because we actually had a private conversation on the topic a few years back.

I can see this from the both sides:
He had a personal relationship with a source for something somebody else wanted to get rid of and if it wasnt stolen, it was a personal score. If it was stolen it got turned in.
IMPD sees this as a breach of trust; they assume that the manager thought she dealing with on duty IMPD and not a private citizen so ALL of them would go to the property room.

And thinking about "well if he could trace the gun, why not trace it back to the original owner and give it back to them?" How does he know it still belonged to the person on the 4473? Guns get resold all the damn time so there is a good chance its no longer owned by the original owner. Would it be fair to give it back to someone who sold it years ago?

from the news story, it sounds like a bit of a mixup where he thought he was getting something owned by the auction house, when it was actually an impound and not theirs.

Its a definite sandwich.

 

[Dutchisaurus]

The problem is Indiana isn't a finders keepers state.

That's why we have indianaunclaimed.gov

The Crux of the issue will be IC 34-4-4

Especially as a police officer. You can't just keep a gun because you found it.



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[Rookie]

The problem is Indiana isn't a finders keepers state.

That's why we have indianaunclaimed.gov

The Crux of the issue will be IC 34-4-4

Especially as a police officer. You can't just keep a gun because you found it.



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Can you quote the IC? I can't find anything related to 34-4-4

 

[MarkC]

The problem is Indiana isn't a finders keepers state.

That's why we have indianaunclaimed.gov

The Crux of the issue will be IC 34-4-4

Especially as a police officer. You can't just keep a gun because you found it.



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One cannot disagree with the proposition that a police officer does not get to keep property found while performing the course of his or her duties.

However, although it is alleged, that has yet to be proven in this case.

The probable cause affidavit relies much on what was not found during the investigation, and requires the reader to make a few inferences to conclude that anything unlawful happened. here.

It is also important to keep in mind that a pleading, especially the complaint, in any court case is one side's version of the tale.

 

[drillsgt]

If it wound up in the IMPD property room the owner would never get it back anyway.