4 reasons why I don't trust the 1911 with my life

[IndyDave1776]

They have honed those skills since you saw them.........

So, next time should I just come to the door with a white flag already raised?

 

[Woobie]

I also have a few nice selections in leather but with the recent rash of 5 year old girls taking firearms I opted for retention..........See Avatar. Only 2 but they are cunning.....and scary.

They look vicious. My 4 year old girl gets whatever she wants when she asks a certain way. "Daaddyyy??"

She is tougher and smarter than either of her older brothers. If there were two of her I wouldn't be able to handle it.

 

[Hardscrable]

You're telling me nobody here owns a double stack 1911?

I do. Double stacks...different calibers, finishes, etc.; single stacks...different sizes, brands, finishes, calibers, etc.; 2011's; etc. Why - because otherwise my collection has "holes" in it, variety is the spice of life, and I can ( this IS America ! ).

 

[churchmouse]

So, next time should I just come to the door with a white flag already raised?

Depends on their mood.........

 

[halfmileharry]

Depends on their mood.........

Rotsa Ruck figurin' that one out.

 

[88E30M50]

They are smart and work together to flank you. Ever seen Jurasic Park? Remember the raptors?

They say that Raptors evolved into birds, but I don't believe it for a minute. I think they evolved into Girl Scouts.

 

[halfmileharry]

They say that Raptors evolved into birds, but I don't believe it for a minute. I think they evolved into Girl Scouts.

I understand your logic and thinking on this one. I will however need some sort of scientific proof. IF NOT....some CM unscientific studies will suffice.

 

[Robert Richardson]

Well, I have a beard, run 1911s and am older than the clown in the video. Sooo, I must be ok.

 

[VERT]

Well, I have a beard, run 1911s and am older than the clown in the video. Sooo, I must be ok.

You can't sport a tactical beard over 40. Then it is just a beard.

 

[foszoe]

The NUMBER ONE RE AS ON I DON'T TRUST A 1911?

If i see one, I won't be the one carrying it.

 

[Robert Richardson]

You can't sport a tactical beard over 40. Then it is just a beard.

That's right. I just have a man beard, not a shaggy bunch of hair on my face.

 

[matthewmaze]

i love the 1911 1 45 bullet is 2 9mm in weight 230 to 115.iwas was always taught shot placement if you don't hit them with 9 8+1 the chances are your not going to hit them with 16

 

[Grease]

While I love the 1911, what if there are more than one or, even two assailants?

i personally think the 1911 in any caliber than 45 is a waste and tho I own a few 1911's, I tend. To choose my g19 with double the capacity for that reason alone.

As as for the "if you can't hit with 8 rounds" crowd, there are MANY examples of trained policemen shooting 10-15 rounds and only hitting a suspect once or twice. There is a huge difference in range shooting and when SHTF.

nNow, I understand there are those who have decades of training on this platform and can hit with their eyes closed, I am talking more about your average carry guy who gets to the range 3-4x a year. And before it's said, yes, I agree that people who carry should be at the range more and practice harder if they are going to take the responsibility of CcW seriously. I practice at the range and I practice "mental shooting" as well where I close my eyes and picture sight alignment, recoil etc....works with sports, works with shooting.

 

[IndyDave1776]

While I love the 1911, what if there are more than one or, even two assailants?

i personally think the 1911 in any caliber than 45 is a waste and tho I own a few 1911's, I tend. To choose my g19 with double the capacity for that reason alone.

As as for the "if you can't hit with 8 rounds" crowd, there are MANY examples of trained policemen shooting 10-15 rounds and only hitting a suspect once or twice. There is a huge difference in range shooting and when SHTF.

nNow, I understand there are those who have decades of training on this platform and can hit with their eyes closed, I am talking more about your average carry guy who gets to the range 3-4x a year. And before it's said, yes, I agree that people who carry should be at the range more and practice harder if they are going to take the responsibility of CcW seriously. I practice at the range and I practice "mental shooting" as well where I close my eyes and picture sight alignment, recoil etc....works with sports, works with shooting.

Well said. I consider 7 rounds to be adequate, but that does not change a couple of facts. First, you should use what you feel comfortable with, not what I say you should feel comfortable with, which is why I generally don't engage in disparaging the choices of others (unless they are clinging to something completely unreasonable, like using a .25ACP or thinking that you need something capable of stopping a cape buffalo or you aren't 'armed'). Second, range time is a good thing, but you cannot practice in a canned exercise, at least within the realm of what you can generate yourself in range exercises, firing a gun effectively while metaphorically or literally sh*tting your pants, which is the foundation under your statement regarding the 2/15 for the police with more training than many private gun owners.

 

[halfmileharry]

Todays guns are different than the guns of years gone by.
When the 1911 was designed and manufactured the guns were made out of quality metals by real machinists. These were machinists that were real skilled tradesmen. That's why you see old 1911s that still run like new after 60+ years.
The design of the newer guns is to match production efficiency and costs more than anything else. I Do NOT trust a cheap 1911 to defend myself with. I will start with a cheap 1911 and shoot it until I know it needs a parts rebuild. I'll rebuild it or have it gone through by a qualified smith and usually put it on the shelf to admire and take it out to shoot regularly.
I'll take a quality 1911 any day to defend myself with.
Is the 1911 the perfect defense gun? I don't think so. I don't know of a perfect gun for that.
I shoot the 1911 with deadly accuracy and have for well over 40 years. It's second nature to me, part of my hand, and just the way I roll. I have carried a 1911 in the USMC, taken many classes, and shoot about as much as anyone. I practice and train regularly as well. I mentally assess my environment constantly and live defensively. I also drive defensively so I can give myself an "out" or escape if someone decides to be stupid. A lot of surviving is mindset
IF they made a "1911 Vehicle" I'd probably own a few of them as well.

 

[Grease]

Well said. I consider 7 rounds to be adequate, but that does not change a couple of facts. First, you should use what you feel comfortable with, not what I say you should feel comfortable with, which is why I generally don't engage in disparaging the choices of others (unless they are clinging to something completely unreasonable, like using a .25ACP or thinking that you need something capable of stopping a cape buffalo or you aren't 'armed'). Second, range time is a good thing, but you cannot practice in a canned exercise, at least within the realm of what you can generate yourself in range exercises, firing a gun effectively while metaphorically or literally sh*tting your pants, which is the foundation under your statement regarding the 2/15 for the police with more training than many private gun owners.

Todays guns are different than the guns of years gone by.
When the 1911 was designed and manufactured the guns were made out of quality metals by real machinists. These were machinists that were real skilled tradesmen. That's why you see old 1911s that still run like new after 60+ years.
The design of the newer guns is to match production efficiency and costs more than anything else. I Do NOT trust a cheap 1911 to defend myself with. I will start with a cheap 1911 and shoot it until I know it needs a parts rebuild. I'll rebuild it or have it gone through by a qualified smith and usually put it on the shelf to admire and take it out to shoot regularly.
I'll take a quality 1911 any day to defend myself with.
Is the 1911 the perfect defense gun? I don't think so. I don't know of a perfect gun for that.
I shoot the 1911 with deadly accuracy and have for well over 40 years. It's second nature to me, part of my hand, and just the way I roll. I have carried a 1911 in the USMC, taken many classes, and shoot about as much as anyone. I practice and train regularly as well. I mentally assess my environment constantly and live defensively. I also drive defensively so I can give myself an "out" or escape if someone decides to be stupid. A lot of surviving is mindset
IF they made a "1911 Vehicle" I'd probably own a few of them as well.

I completely agree with what yall have both said. The gun you choose has to be for YOU. I carried a G27 since 1995 and thought I'd never replace it as my edc, that is until I shot, then bought a G19gen4. I had shot g19's of the earlier gens but, the gen 4 just spoke to me, melded to my hand. I don't even have to think about aiming or the target, the rounds just go when're I am looking.

i was at the range last week and at 15yds, I rapid fired a 10" group as fast as I could pull the trigger. My brother could not believe I did it so, he made me do it again, and again.......and again. I put that down to the gun completely.

 

[U.S. Patriot]

I have seen 1911's malfunction more then any other handgun. As for capacity. I carry a single stack 9mm. If you are presented with more then one threat, depending on the situation. Your chance of survival is lessened.

 

[VERT]

I have seen 1911's malfunction more then any other handgun. As for capacity. I carry a single stack 9mm. If you are presented with more then one threat, depending on the situation. Your chance of survival is lessened.

That's because you squad up with the cool kids. Come on over to the old guys squad. Our guns seem to run the same whether they are 1911, 2011, Glock or anything else. About the only non-ammo related issue I see is trigger freeze or maybe a weak recoil spring. The cool kids just shoot, what do they know about how a gun works.

 

[88E30M50]

I dont' compare my self defense handgun needs to the needs of an on-duty cop. I'm not a cop and my job is not to seek out bad guys and apprehend them. I carry in case a bad guy seeks me out and then, I am seeking to stop the attack, not necessarily the guy attacking. If he stops the attack and runs, I'm not going to give chase. So, for my carry needs, I'm quite happy with 8+1 in a 1911. While I do sometimes carry a much higher capacity handgun, I realize that it is kind of like wearing a motorcycle helmet while driving my car. It might add a level of protection that going without would not, but the chances of needing it in the car are so small as to make it a waste of effort.

But, I'm a software engineer, not a cop. My needs are different and the situation where I may find myself using a handgun would be absolutely different. What a cop carries does not enter much into my daily carry considerations.

 

[U.S. Patriot]

That's because you squad up with the cool kids. Come on over to the old guys squad. Our guns seem to run the same whether they are 1911, 2011, Glock or anything else. About the only non-ammo related issue I see is trigger freeze or maybe a weak recoil spring. The cool kids just shoot, what do they know about how a gun works.

You guys have a 1911 shrine?