Constitutional Amendment Banning Abortion

[Liberty's Teeth]

I clicked the least popular yes, but I think a little differently. The gov't has the right to define murder not ban abortion. They should extend the definition of murder to include unborn children.

 

[bigus_D]

...You get my point? We need to bring all the Pro-Gun people together here on INGO not just the white Christian moral minority GOP/Libertarians.

I was surprised by the poll results. I had expected larger tilt to the religious. Perhaps this thread actually demonstrates how successful INGO is at bringing pro-gun individuals together with different opinions on other issues.

Personally, I often get confused by the two party system... it is simply too limiting. Neither party ends up actually being what the extremists say they are.

republican = conservative.
conservative = individual freedom.
individual freedom = don't regulate personal choice.
don't regulate personal choice = pro choice.
THEREFORE republican = pro choice

(sorry for the thread jack)

 

[spartan933]

I was surprised by the poll results. I had expected larger tilt to the religious. Perhaps this thread actually demonstrates how successful INGO is at bringing pro-gun individuals together with different opinions on other issues.

I advocate for INGO members to run State government. Imagine how fast we could get things done, find out information, and make decisions by internet vote.

 

[agentl074]

I thought this was a gun forum?

It strikes me that if we are pro-gun we need to really focus on uniting all gun owners and bringing them here, not dividing ourselves. I'd be happy to walk in a Pro-Gun rally next to a member of the Pink Pistols gay rights pro-gun group. I'd be happy to walk in a Pro-Gun rally next to a pro-abortion gun rights supporter. I'd be happy to walk in a Pro-Gun rally next to hispanic (or Canadian) legal immigrants who support our gun rights. I'd be happy to walk . . .

You get my point? We need to bring all the Pro-Gun people together here on INGO not just the white Christian moral minority GOP/Libertarians.

No, I'd prefer not to talk about Abortions, or Gay bashing, or whatever. UNLESS Fenway wants to start a new sub-forum called OFF TOPIC POLITICS and keep it apart from 2ND AMENDMENT POLITICS but I don't support abortion. I abhor it. I do not support it even in those 3 to 5% of the cases where there is rape/incest or the life of a mother issue. So to Constitutionally protect those things is against my faith.

I totally agree. Topics such as these are extremely controversial and serves only to divide groups ... not unite them.

 

[public servant]

I totally agree. Topics such as these are extremely controversial and serves only to divide groups ... not unite them.

So...we just stick our head in the sand and pretend controversial topics don't exist?

Perhaps I'll do a poll on OC versus CC....or Glock versus XD. Those generally bring out some stimulating conversation...don't you think?

The sub-title of this part of the forum is "Politics, Laws and 2nd Amendment"...not "2nd Amendment Politics, 2nd Amendment Laws and 2nd Amendment".

While I would not oppose a separate political forum if the site owner wanted it that way...the reason I like this site so much is it tends not to numb the mind...and I see very little moderator "filtering" unless things get really out of hand. If we're only going to run around here agreeing with each other and patting each other on the back...it's not a very realistic portrayal of the real world is it?

If this thread offended anyone...while I can't apologize for presenting a view on a subject other than firearms...it was not intended to do so. If the site owner or moderators feel this site is not the place for such topics...I'll be happy to comply with their wishes. I'm just a guest here...and understand that fully.

 

[ATM]

The gov't has the right to define murder not ban abortion. They should extend the definition of murder to include unborn children.

I didn't vote in the poll but I agree with this train of reasoning on the subject. I currently think of abortion as an exception to murder. I think that broad exception needs narrowed down considerably.

 

[ATF Consumer]

So...we just stick our head in the sand and pretend controversial topics don't exist?

Perhaps I'll do a poll on OC versus CC....or Glock versus XD. Those generally bring out some stimulating conversation...don't you think?

The sub-title of this part of the forum is "Politics, Laws and 2nd Amendment"...not "2nd Amendment Politics, 2nd Amendment Laws and 2nd Amendment".

While I would not oppose a separate political forum if the site owner wanted it that way...the reason I like this site so much is it tends not to numb the mind...and I see very little moderator "filtering" unless things get really out of hand. If we're only going to run around here agreeing with each other and patting each other on the back...it's not a very realistic portrayal of the real world is it?

If this thread offended anyone...while I can't apologize for presenting a view on a subject other than firearms...it was not intended to do so. If the site owner or moderators feel this site is not the place for such topics...I'll be happy to comply with their wishes. I'm just a guest here...and understand that fully.

It seems I rarely agree with you, but on this, I certainly do. You make very good points, as on most issues being discussed, we seem to be on opposite ends of the spectrum. I think it is great when someone expresses an opinion and then someone else can respond with knowledgeable feedback, as the devil's advocate.

 

[JetGirl]

I wouldn't advocate abortion and would, in fact, try to reason with someone contemplating it. That said, I'm not willing to put a gun to your head in the name of the state and tell you what you can and can not do. The result is between you and your maker. I chose "no government regulation".

 

[public servant]

It seems I rarely agree with you, but on this, I certainly do. You make very good points, as on most issues being discussed, we seem to be on opposite ends of the spectrum. I think it is great when someone expresses an opinion and then someone else can respond with knowledgeable feedback, as the devil's advocate.

And thank goodness for that broad spectrum. Life would be boring without it. While you and I seldom agree...your counter-points always exercise my mind. And sometimes raise my blood pressure.

 

[Cygnus]

I think the non-gun political threads are productive. Hey we all don't agree on everything. Not just on this sensitive topic. I'm glad we've all been able to disagree and make points/counterpoints on issues and it mostly is respectful.

I disagree with those who say this divides us as gun owners. On the contrary i think think this shows the diverse spectrum of responsable gunowners. I also think it helps to smash stereotypes of gunowners.
Keep on talkin' issues and keep it respectful.

Rememeber the 1st ammendment rocks too!

 

[Bill of Rights]

I wouldn't advocate abortion and would, in fact, try to reason with someone contemplating it. That said, I'm not willing to put a gun to your head in the name of the state and tell you what you can and can not do. The result is between you and your maker. I chose "no government regulation".

Yep. Choice does not mean "I'm going to have an abortion." Choice means "I'm going to make my own decision."

Truth be told, it could almost be argued that everyone who is sexually active and capable of bearing children is pro-choice in that they have all made a decision at some point. Some have decided to have those children while some have decided not to do so. Even those who decide to use contraception understand that the risk is that none are 100% effective, so they've chosen either to carry any pregnancy to term or to go and have the pregnancy terminated.

Is it murder? Some think so, yes. Even if it is, however, our Constitution addresses only one crime by name and that is treason. If we need no Constitutional amendment for adult murder, why, then, do we need one for the "murder" of an as-yet-unborn human child?

I also voted no, for government to keep it's grubby little fingers off of our liberties.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[Blue Tile Spook]

No government.

 

[cce1302]

Is it murder? Some think so, yes. Even if it is, however, our Constitution addresses only one crime by name and that is treason. If we need no Constitutional amendment for adult murder, why, then, do we need one for the "murder" of an as-yet-unborn human child?

This. It is not a constitutional issue. (prohibition of alcohol should not have been a constitutional issue either, IMO).
States should be free to outlaw the killing of unborn babies.
The debate is really not whether a woman has a right to privacy, but whether the baby inside her has a right to be born. The vocal minority believes that the baby is not a baby, but is an inconvenience that may be removed at any time for any reason.

 

[aikidoka]

I didnt pick one because my answer is no, it should be left up to the states.

and yes I'm prolife.

 

[Chefcook]

No and No....

 

[EdC]

No, shouldn't be banned, and my opinion is that it's a fundamental right women have that shouldn't be left to the states, but should be protected by the fed.

 

[Annie Oakley]

I am pro-choice but anti-abortion. It would be nice if every pregnancy was planned and every parent had the means to raise a child. That isn't the way it is in real life. Most women don't get pregnant with the thought of having an abortion. When you get down to brass tacks, it has to be a woman's choice because non of us can know exactly what the circumstances are. The choice must be protected. I believe that a fetus becomes a baby when it is able to survive outside the womb. After that point abortion should be allowed in only a very few extreme cases.

 

[kingnereli]

Abortion is murder and should be included in all applicable murder laws. I really don't care how it gets done as long as it becomes a crime. The pro-murder arguments don't hold water. I've been there. I've been through an unplanned pregnancy where I didn't know how I would take care of a wife let alone a baby. Now we are doing just fine. Murder was never an option. I'm not that selfish.

 

[bigg cheese]

Something I have always held close to my heart. I will never support the murder of children. The Bible says that He formed us in the womb and that we are fearfully and wonderfully made.

With today's technology, "life of the mother" shouldn't every be a concern with the options we have.

Let me also note the statistics on abortion. Very few people (even liberal family of mine) have an idea just how many we've murdered. Not to diminish the holocaust, but we've "achieved" 49+ million abortions a year within the United States.

Abortion in the United States

If we're going to worry about the environment the children may live in, let's fix society so we reduce the chances, not make excuses so more people can do it.

As far as the "rape and incest" goes, two wrong's don't make a right -- period. People everyday live with the consequences of the actions of others. Why should this be any different?

 

[Annie Oakley]

Abortion is murder and should be included in all applicable murder laws. I really don't care how it gets done as long as it becomes a crime. The pro-murder arguments don't hold water. I've been there. I've been through an unplanned pregnancy where I didn't know how I would take care of a wife let alone a baby. Now we are doing just fine. Murder was never an option. I'm not that selfish.

Your wife was lucky that you were a stand-up guy. Lots of men aren't.