Off Duty Officer Strikes Girl, Takes Beating From Dad, Shoots Dad

[Bunnykid68]

Going to fast to come to a controled stop comes to mind

What? At 10 MPH if someone runs out in front of you, you would not have time to stop.

 

[Justin Case]

Tragic story. LEO or not, anyone in his position has the right to defend himself. IMO this was a case of self defense.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

The article said the officer was riding thru Maywood, on his way home. Maybe that's the best route to his house?

And that would be a factor in the jury's consideration. His prior knowledge of the conditions of the streets.

What? At 10 MPH if someone runs out in front of you, you would not have time to stop.

You still get a ticket. I've seen it over and over and over.

 

[giovani]

Ok this is my last post in this thread, had this occured in my home state or a few others that I know of ,the person driving the vehicle regardless of any factors would be charged for hitting a pedestrian.
Its our states law that you be in total control of your vehicle.
And honestly I like it,people here are much more aware and show more courtesy when in areas with pedestrian traffic than they were when I lived in Indiana.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

So you were there with Miss Cleo?

Why would Miss Cleo need be there?

And who is this Chief Law Enforcement Officer that you speak of?

 

[Bunnykid68]

Ok this is my last post in this thread, had this occured in my home state or a few others that I know of ,the person driving the vehicle regardless of any factors would be charged for hitting a pedestrian.
Its our states law that you be in total control of your vehicle.
And honestly I like it,people here are much more aware and show more courtesy when in areas with pedestrian traffic than they were when I lived in Indiana.

So, a person traveling at 10 MPH and in complete control of their vehicle is responsible for people or objects that just run out in front of them?

Which state to you live in?

Or if someone runs a red light and you hit them it is your fault because you were not in control of your vehicle at all times.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

Ok this is my last post in this thread, had this occured in my home state or a few others that I know of ,the person driving the vehicle regardless of any factors would be charged for hitting a pedestrian.
Its our states law that you be in total control of your vehicle.
And honestly I like it,people here are much more aware and show more courtesy when in areas with pedestrian traffic than they were when I lived in Indiana.

How do you show courtesy to a pedestrian that runs out into the street in front of you? I think he showed plenty of courtesy by purposely laying his bike down in order to avoid her. According to Kirk, since Maywood is such a ****hole, he should have just run her down like Mad Max's wife and kid and just kept going.

 

[jsharmon7]

Which state to you live in?

In a sad, sad state where it's always somebody else's fault.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

In a sad, sad state where it's always somebody else's fault.

I think I work in that state.

 

[Dirtebiker]

Off-duty cop shoots, kills angry dad after wipeout

Was reading the article, very tragic, but found the comments quite interesting. I wouldnt want to get beat on, cant say I blame the officer for not wanting too either.

Really? I would EXPECT a beating if I ran my motorcycle into a little kid!
If he had time to intentionally "lay it down", he had time to counter steer and miss the girl!
I've been riding bikes for 32 years, most people are not aware of a simple maneuver called counter steering. You can make very quick, sharp moves to avoid something in the road. It is something that should be practiced all the time! You can practice while everyday riding.
My guess is the officer is not an experienced rider.
Of course, the adult that was with the kid shares some of the blame, as does the father! But the idiot rider has the biggest share!!!

 

[You'll shoot your eye out]

Had the parent been in control , or at least taught the child better , or had the man been in control of his vehicle, the unfortunate event could not have happened.
What he did to save himself from a couple of irational people after the fact is totally justifiable.

I have rode motorcycles since I was a small child, I know something of motorcycles. What you are asking is unreasonable, It's just physics. The bike weighs X, street speed is Y, stopping distance is Z. as a rider you are making this and similar calculations minute by minute. The negative outcome of the riders calculation is exactly why he laid it down, to scrub off some speed.

I have also raised 3 kids. Disipline and supervision are very difficult but not impossible. As hard as raising kids to keep out of the street is, It's still easier than laying down a bike. I have done both.

 

[giovani]

So, a person traveling at 10 MPH and in complete control of their vehicle is responsible for people or objects that just run out in front of them?

Which state to you live in?

Or if someone runs a red light and you hit them it is your fault because you were not in control of your vehicle at all times.

A 1 yes
A 2 Colorado
A 3 only applys to pedestrians, not other motor vehicles, especially other motor vehicles commiting a traffic violation as in running a red.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

Really? I would EXPECT a beating if I ran my motorcycle into a little kid!

Would your kid expect a beating for running out into the street and causing a crash?

 

[giovani]

I have rode motorcycles since I was a small child, I know something of motorcycles. What you are asking is unreasonable, It's just physics. The bike weighs X, street speed is Y, stopping distance is Z. as a rider you are making this and similar calculations minute by minute. The negative outcome of the riders calculation is exactly why he laid it down, to scrub off some speed.

I have also raised 3 kids. Disipline and supervision are very difficult but not impossible. As hard as raising kids to keep out of the street is, It's still easier than laying down a bike. I have done both.

So have I, but I have yet to hit a pedestrian.

 

[Excalibur]

Damn, this is serious and no one really wins. Though personally the father was in the wrong. His first duty would have been to see to his daughter, call an ambulance to tend to her wounds, then address to the person who hit her with a motorcycle by accident.

It's obviously, the little girl was jumping out into the street and because she is 4 years old, it isn't her fault, but the fault of her dad who should have been WATCHING HIS 4 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER! AT NIGHT!.

Seriously, instead of helping his daughter, he decided to beat the ever loving crap out of a fallen man who's suffered a crash and then another guy joins in?! Yeah, it's sad a man is dead, but he was at fault, being aggressive and not even trying to help. The second guy is just as in the wrong for joining in on a beating.

 

[Bunnykid68]

Really? I would EXPECT a beating if I ran my motorcycle into a little kid!
If he had time to intentionally "lay it down", he had time to counter steer and miss the girl!
I've been riding bikes for 32 years, most people are not aware of a simple maneuver called counter steering. You can make very quick, sharp moves to avoid something in the road. It is something that should be practiced all the time! You can practice while everyday riding.
My guess is the officer is not an experienced rider.
Of course, the adult that was with the kid shares some of the blame, as does the father! But the idiot rider has the biggest share!!!

the rider? How about the idiot kid that ran into the street?

 

[You'll shoot your eye out]

So have I, but I have yet to hit a pedestrian.

You still have time..... Keep on driving.

 

[Dirtebiker]

Would your kid expect a beating for running out into the street and causing a crash?

Yes!

 

[giovani]

You still have time..... Keep on driving.

I will and carefully

 

[lucky4034]

If the story is true... then I'm glad the police officer had his firearm ready.

I will say as a motorcycle rider that it seems unlikely that you have time to bail off a motorcycle? I just can't imagine bailing off as described at least. Slamming the breaks and falling off seem much more realistic. I mean... he didn't "purposely put it down on its side". I mean, if he had time to "purposely put it down on its side" he had time to stop probably.

More than likely he panicked, swerved and low-sided.