Why Obama is going to get 4 more years.

[J_Wales]

Secession - More attractive with each passing year.

It may well be Liberty's last refuge.

 

[ctbreitwieser]

Of course he won't get elected, but when they count up the numbers after it's all said and done, I'd like them to see how many votes he was going to get.

I'd like them to add that to the number that claim they will always vote for whomever the Republicans run regardless.

Then I'd like them to see how they pissed away a winner.

Only those sort of numbers will have any effect on future elections.

But is it worth taking the chance of Obummer getting reelected? Im really asking for advice. Im only 23 and didnt get a chance to vote the last time. I was overseas when voting took place and couldnt do it. Ive always been interested in politics and am really trying to learn as much as I can. I just want to be able to have to the biggest impact I can on our future. I do know enough to know we are headed down one helluva bumpy road.

 

[Stschil]

Personally, I'm quite tired of the political masterbation which is what that last three or four election cycles have been.

The system is broken, many of us here agree, yet time and time again, many also come round and say, we can't let 'this' happen, so we 'have' to go along, order up another sammich, put on our bibs and take a bite.

The only way to stop this, I agree is to vote as a body, but NOT for the douchebags the parties keep handing us.

Our nation was born of those who were Not Afraid to Risk Everything to secure Our Future. Their dissent was much more physical and included the risk of death at the point of a bayonet or the end of a rope. Our dissenting power comes at the ballot box, so that the cartridge box need not be used. And we repay their sacrifice how? By failing to use the power afforded us by the blood of men and women much greater than our present popluation could ever aspire to be. By giving in, by going along.

It shames me to think what the mind set of our Nation has become.

 

[J_Wales]

Personally, I'm quite tired of the political masterbation which is what that last three or four election cycles have been.

The system is broken, many of us here agree, yet time and time again, many also come round and say, we can't let 'this' happen, so we 'have' to go along, order up another sammich, put on our bibs and take a bite.

The only way to stop this, I agree is to vote as a body, but NOT for the douchebags the parties keep handing us.

Our nation was born of those who were Not Afraid to Risk Everything to secure Our Future. Their dissent was much more physical and included the risk of death at the point of a bayonet or the end of a rope. Our dissenting power comes at the ballot box, so that the cartridge box need not be used. And we repay their sacrifice how? By failing to use the power afforded us by the blood of men and women much greater than our present popluation could ever aspire to be. By giving in, by going along.

It shames me to think what the mind set of our Nation has become.

Well said Sir.

 

[rbrthenderson]

Ever since nominations rumors started on who would run, I've said that the Republicans wouldn't run a serious candidate against Obama.

The fact that it was still a close nomination race up until this week is a joke. The Republicans are expecting me to vote for whoever they choose as the nominee and it's ridiculous. Instead of running someone serious against him, they're just going to let his clock run another 4 years, let him screw things up more so they can sew up the office in 2016.

I didn't like Bachman, I didn't like Santorum and I don't like Romney. Until the Republicans can come up with a good well rounded candidate, they won't get my vote.

 

[churchmouse]

Personally, I'm quite tired of the political masterbation which is what that last three or four election cycles have been.

The system is broken, many of us here agree, yet time and time again, many also come round and say, we can't let 'this' happen, so we 'have' to go along, order up another sammich, put on our bibs and take a bite.

The only way to stop this, I agree is to vote as a body, but NOT for the douchebags the parties keep handing us.

Our nation was born of those who were Not Afraid to Risk Everything to secure Our Future. Their dissent was much more physical and included the risk of death at the point of a bayonet or the end of a rope. Our dissenting power comes at the ballot box, so that the cartridge box need not be used. And we repay their sacrifice how? By failing to use the power afforded us by the blood of men and women much greater than our present popluation could ever aspire to be. By giving in, by going along.

It shames me to think what the mind set of our Nation has become.

Agreed. But how to change this. What to do except secession or revolt. There are far to many Kool Aide drinkers and idiots to effect a rational change.

 

[ATM]

But is it worth taking the chance of Obummer getting reelected?

For me it is. I see more potential long-term damage from falling in line and helping to tighten the stranglehold of these two parties (both of which relish being the only two players in the game at the national level) than I do from a second and more substantially opposed Obama term (lacking the senate supermajority of the early part of his first term.)

The present election was over before it started, we the people are not currently in charge, those two parties are. I'd like to give my posterity a voice in the process again.

I do know enough to know we are headed down one helluva bumpy road.

True. I'm glad you are actively involved and weighing the magnitude of your own voice and choices, but there is no easy choice.

 

[ctbreitwieser]

Personally, I'm quite tired of the political masterbation which is what that last three or four election cycles have been.

The system is broken, many of us here agree, yet time and time again, many also come round and say, we can't let 'this' happen, so we 'have' to go along, order up another sammich, put on our bibs and take a bite.

The only way to stop this, I agree is to vote as a body, but NOT for the douchebags the parties keep handing us.

Our nation was born of those who were Not Afraid to Risk Everything to secure Our Future. Their dissent was much more physical and included the risk of death at the point of a bayonet or the end of a rope. Our dissenting power comes at the ballot box, so that the cartridge box need not be used. And we repay their sacrifice how? By failing to use the power afforded us by the blood of men and women much greater than our present popluation could ever aspire to be. By giving in, by going along.

It shames me to think what the mind set of our Nation has become.

This just motovated me quite a bit. I can honestly say that I agree with everything you just said. But it kills me to think of Barry getting reelected.

 

[J_Wales]

Ever since nominations rumors started on who would run, I've said that the Republicans wouldn't run a serious candidate against Obama.

The fact that it was still a close nomination race up until this week is a joke. The Republicans are expecting me to vote for whoever they choose as the nominee and it's ridiculous. Instead of running someone serious against him, they're just going to let his clock run another 4 years, let him screw things up more so they can sew up the office in 2016.

I didn't like Bachman, I didn't like Santorum and I don't like Romney. Until the Republicans can come up with a good well rounded candidate, they won't get my vote.

In your opinion, who would have been the best choice for this cycle?

 

[rbrthenderson]

In your opinion, who would have been the best choice for this cycle?

I would have like to see Mitch Daniels.

I'm all for Ron Paul but he obviously won't get the nomination.

 

[HICKMAN]

Keep in mind, the winner of this election will probably have 2 or 3 Supreme Court picks.

This one election can fundamentally change this country forever.

Just something to chew on....


I will vote for Ron Paul in May and against Obama in November.

I just hope Allen West is on the ticket, make the pill a lot easier to swallow.

 

[Stschil]

Agreed. But how to change this. What to do except secession or revolt. There are far to many Kool Aide drinkers and idiots to effect a rational change.

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And Romeny will be there, pouring drinks

This just motovated me quite a bit. I can honestly say that I agree with everything you just said. But it kills me to think of Barry getting reelected.

4 more of BHO will have more chance of The People finally waking up and making change. 4 or even 8 years of MittStake Romeny? There might be a sigh of relieve that 'disaster' has been avoided and the Titanic will careen on toward the iceberg, whist the population sleeps anew, unaware of the nightmare.
All the while, our Two Party system will do as they wish, unchecked and unafraid.

 

[ATM]

Keep in mind, the winner of this election will probably have 2-3 Supreme Court picks.

This one election can fundamentally change this country forever.

Just something to chew on....

There will always be another reason, another crisis to ensure that now is not the time to change. Always.

 

[hornadylnl]

There will never be another Ronaldus Maximus boys and girls. The party will not allow it. They want to run the show by puppet mastering the oval office. That is what we have now.
Chicago has there fist so far up Osama bin Mamma's butt and they are pulling the strings. Anyone that does not see this is drinking the Kool Aide. To split the vote by voting for someone that has no chance in Hell of winning is again being dosed with the kool aide. All that does is put the idiot back in the big boy chair. We need to unite behind whom ever is opposing Bin Mama. If you all run off in different directions to "Make a point" we are doomed. This is why he is up our butts right now. Too many hard heads. Dump the Kool Aide, hitch up your dignity and vote as a body. Moderates are the new deal. We can not change that in one election cycle. Get ready for the ride, it will be a bumpy one.


Edit....I wish there was someone to vote for instead of against

Hitch up our dignity? I don't care who you are, that's funny right there. There might be some dignity in your strategy if the last 5 nominees weren't at least twice as liberal as the previous nominee.

 

[J_Wales]

I would have like to see Mitch Daniels.

I'm all for Ron Paul but he obviously won't get the nomination.

I agree Daniels would have been an excellent option. Unfortunately, the process as it stands today discourages many of the better candidates from running.

Given the clamour over an oversized central state, it is a wonder that Paul has not had stronger backing.

Perhaps not so much a wonder when one considers that the media, party leaders, and pundits herd the sheep in an ordered direction and well over half of the population is asleep.

 

[hornadylnl]

There will always be another reason, another crisis to ensure that now is not the time to change. Always.

End of thread.

 

[hornadylnl]

I agree Daniels would have been an excellent option. Unfortunately, the process as it stands today discourages many of the better candidates from running.

Given the clamour over an oversized central state, it is a wonder that Paul has not had stronger backing.

Perhaps not so much a wonder when one considers that the media, party leaders, and pundits herd the sheep in an ordered direction and well over half of the population is asleep.

Conservatives gnash their teeth at Paul far more than any of the liberals

 

[J_Wales]

Conservatives gnash their teeth at Paul far more than any of the liberals

Are you sure you are not mixing conservatives with republicans?

That said, I was (and still am) absolutely disgusted with Mark Levin's position towards Paul. Particularly when one considers how Paul would stack up with Levin's writing in Liberty and Tyranny.

Of course, Levin is just one of many whose true colors have come bleeding through.

 

[churchmouse]

Hitch up our dignity? I don't care who you are, that's funny right there. There might be some dignity in your strategy if the last 5 nominees weren't at least twice as liberal as the previous nominee.

Just attempting to emote some thought and generate some good debate.

 

[ctbreitwieser]

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4 more of BHO will have more chance of The People finally waking up and making change. 4 or even 8 years of MittStake Romeny? There might be a sigh of relieve that 'disaster' has been avoided and the Titanic will careen on toward the iceberg, whist the population sleeps anew, unaware of the nightmare.
All the while, our Two Party system will do as they wish, unchecked and unafraid.

I'm not sure I agree with you here. The chances of people waking up are slim. I wish it were so, but I think there are too many people with their heads shoved too far up their own rears to admit they made a poor vote. Every day there are more and more uneducated people turning 18 that will vote for whoever someone tells them too, and those same people are too arrogant to ever see that they were wrong. I know too many people that STILL believe barry is the best president we have ever had. I just see the mass of people never actually opening their eyes.