Divide and Conquer

[dburkhead]

One of the tactics the anti-gun folk use to great effect against us is "divide and conquer." By going after one small segment of the gun community while assuring others that their guns are safe, they get a large number of gun owners to sit back and essentially let them chip away at the 2nd Amendment. To help combat that, I've composed the following, for spreading in hunting and other groups:

First they came for the "assault weapons"
but I didn't speak up because who needs an assault weapon?

Then they came for the Saturday Night Specials,
but I didn't speak up because they're just junk guns.

Then they came for the high capacity magazines,
but I didn't speak up because I only need a few rounds in the tube

Then they came for all the handguns,
but I didn't speak up because I don't use a handgun to hunt

Then they came for the High Powered Sniper Rifles,
but I didn't speak up because I don't use one of those.

When they came for the shotguns and muzzleloaders,
there was no one left to speak up.

Folks, the anti-gun crowd are not going to leave you alone. Just because they aren't going after you today, just because they claim that they support your "right to hunt," don't be fooled. They say we need to "compromise" but we've been compromising since 1934. The ink isn't even dry on each new "agreement" before thay are talking about the "next step." Each time you fail to support some portion of the community of law-abiding gun owners, you weaken yourself against the time they eventually come after you.

It's time to stop compromising. It's time to get back our rights.

 

[Bill of Rights]

You know that got rep'd. I've seen it before referencing the Holocaust, but this is a nice and very appropriate update. Well done, sir.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[Foxtrot]

Well done.

In addition we should also remember that in the second amendment there is nothing mentioned anywhere about sporting use or hunting. We all know what it states and what it stands for. Defend it or loose it.

 

[ATM]

Yar, genius!

 

[flagtag]

Our next IGOLD (Illinois Gun Owner's Lobby Day) event is scheduled for Wednesday, March 11, 2009 in Springfield at the Capitol Building.

If any of would like to attend (I know, it's a weekday), you would be more than welcome. The more "bodies" the better. You don't HAVE to be an IL resident to "voice" your opinion.

If you would be interested, or know someone who might be, you can keep an eye on isra.org for details.

Gun Owners of America unite!

 

[BloodEclipse]

It's time to stop compromising. It's time to get back our rights.

Oh so true.!

 

[Steelman]

So you guys have a plan, right? To my knowledge, INGO hasn't gotten together (in any real numbers) since NFA day in August. I'd like to see more of us break-free from behind the keyboard.

Or if this is more chest-thumping and bravado, I'll go back to what I was doing before.

 

[dburkhead]

So you guys have a plan, right? To my knowledge, INGO hasn't gotten together (in any real numbers) since NFA day in August. I'd like to see more of us break-free from behind the keyboard.

Or if this is more chest-thumping and bravado, I'll go back to what I was doing before.

The point of this thread is outreach to the hunting folk--the one's who go along with things like an AWB because "who needs an AK47 or M16 to hunt".

So, the borrowing of some historical poetry followed by, what in sales is called a "call to action." and sticking it on hunting related groups is the plan.

 

[elaw555]

Research the ban in England and this is exactly what they did. They got the support of hunters to ban assault weapons, handguns, etc while saying they would never take their hunting rifles and shotguns and then when crime shot up after the ban and the hunters felt it necessary to get a handgun or semi-auto rifle for protection the .gov said tough @#$%.

 

[MilitaryArms]

The Bill of Rights nor the Constitution mentions anything about a "right to hunt". We have a right to keep and bear arms, which just so happens to include hunting firearms as well as military arms.

The Fudd's have been playing Hell on our rights over the years. The Zumbo's of the world have held power in the NRA/ILA for way too long. It's become common place for anti-gunners to say "I don't want to take your hunting arms"... and far too many gun owners are happy to hear such non-sense.

We need to take our rights back by first educating the Zumbo's in our community, then going after the anti-gunners in Congress. But we'll never make forward movement as long as we have the Zumbo cancer within our ranks. They're as bad, or worse, than the Nancy Pelosi's and Chucky Schumer's of the world.

 

[Bill of Rights]

OK. Full-auto used the word, but this is not directed solely at him, rather at all of us:

Referencing the "Fudds": I understand his meaning and agree with his thoughts in re: them playing hell with our rights, however I think that namecalling is probably counterproductive. For example, we never see anyone in the anti-groups referring to someone interested in banning only "Saturday Night Specials" as a "cryin' Mommy" or whatever. They are a united front against freedom and our rights.

The correct approach, IMHO, is as full-auto said-education. Jim Zumbo learned hard and fast that calling black-rifle owners terrorists was a really bad idea. He's still used as an example, despite his apology and his newfound understanding of the depth and breadth of the RKBA, thanks to Uncle Ted.

Steelman, with respect, "are we doin' somethin' or can I just go back to the couch?" isn't going to be much help. Are you waiting for someone else to start something so you can jump on the bandwagon? Your help will be appreciated, but why wait? You can write letters now. It's not like activism has to be "mags full, locked and loaded". If you want to do that latter, feel free: take a new shooter to the range. Educate people. It's not just "other people's" responsibility. You can make a difference yourself, but you have to do it.

Thanks for your help.

Blessings,
B

 

[dburkhead]

OK. Full-auto used the word, but this is not directed solely at him, rather at all of us:

Referencing the "Fudds": I understand his meaning and agree with his thoughts in re: them playing hell with our rights, however I think that namecalling is probably counterproductive. For example, we never see anyone in the anti-groups referring to someone interested in banning only "Saturday Night Specials" as a "cryin' Mommy" or whatever. They are a united front against freedom and our rights.

The correct approach, IMHO, is as full-auto said-education. Jim Zumbo learned hard and fast that calling black-rifle owners terrorists was a really bad idea. He's still used as an example, despite his apology and his newfound understanding of the depth and breadth of the RKBA, thanks to Uncle Ted.

Steelman, with respect, "are we doin' somethin' or can I just go back to the couch?" isn't going to be much help. Are you waiting for someone else to start something so you can jump on the bandwagon? Your help will be appreciated, but why wait? You can write letters now. It's not like activism has to be "mags full, locked and loaded". If you want to do that latter, feel free: take a new shooter to the range. Educate people. It's not just "other people's" responsibility. You can make a difference yourself, but you have to do it.

Thanks for your help.

Blessings,
B

QFT Repped

 

[Steelman]

Steelman, with respect, "are we doin' somethin' or can I just go back to the couch?" isn't going to be much help. Are you waiting for someone else to start something so you can jump on the bandwagon? Your help will be appreciated, but why wait? You can write letters now. It's not like activism has to be "mags full, locked and loaded". If you want to do that latter, feel free: take a new shooter to the range. Educate people. It's not just "other people's" responsibility. You can make a difference yourself, but you have to do it.

No, when I see a lot of hard talk and zero follow through - someone's going to get called on it. We can all sit around and espouse the "Molon Labe" , "Cold Dead Hands" and "Don't Tread on Me" scripted BS if you want.

I've taken many shooters to range and changed a few perceptions about gun ownership. I'd like to think I've done something. Maybe that's not enough, but I've done something besides commentate on the latest drivel - copy and pasted from some other gun board.

If I were to organize something, I'm sure ALL OF YOU would be right behind me.


.....and why is everyone always picking on my avatar???

 

[turnandshoot4]

I would. But then again I have a letter writing campaign that isn't going well and SavageEagle has gotten attacked for getting something going. So set one up!

 

[Bill of Rights]

No, when I see a lot of hard talk and zero follow through - someone's going to get called on it. We can all sit around and espouse the "Molon Labe" , "Cold Dead Hands" and "Don't Tread on Me" scripted BS if you want.

I've taken many shooters to range and changed a few perceptions about gun ownership. I'd like to think I've done something. Maybe that's not enough, but I've done something besides commentate on the latest drivel - copy and pasted from some other gun board.

If I were to organize something, I'm sure ALL OF YOU would be right behind me.


.....and why is everyone always picking on my avatar???

First, I'm glad to read that you take people to the range and educate people about 2A issues. Good for you. As for calling people on the scripted stuff, yes, you're probably correct that some that say that would fold under pressure. None of us know what we'll do with certainty until we've done it, and then it's probably too late to be talking about it.

Right behind you? Maybe some. Others would be right there with you. If you're the one organizing whatever it is, by definition no one would be "in front of you".

And no, I wasn't picking on your avatar at all. Hell, man, mine is Hong Kong Phooey! My reference was in part to your comment about "are we doing something or can I go back to what I was doing before" and in part a reference to Appleseed's exhortation to "GET OFF THE COUCH!" to bring people out to the line to send some lead flying and learn how to be Riflemen. I know you were teasing about those last two (hence the ), but it seemed to me to be "teasing with an edge"- Maybe a little irritation at my phrasing, I would guess. If so, hopefully this will clarify my thoughts.
And now, with all that out of the way, let's get some (more) letters written, some elected officials convinced, and some "soft war fighting" done.

Thanks for your response, and as always,

Blessings,
B

 

[Steelman]

I would. But then again I have a letter writing campaign that isn't going well and SavageEagle has gotten attacked for getting something going. So set one up!

Well I don't know what SavageEagle has done to be "attacked", but then again I probably don't want to know.

 

[4sarge]

I would. But then again I have a letter writing campaign that isn't going well and SavageEagle has gotten attacked for getting something going. So set one up!

Isn't it often odd from where our biggest gun critics come from. One would think that most everyone here would be pro gun but by reading the forum one is often surprised. It's good enough to make money from but not worth risking a little controversy. The gun & ammunition manufacturers, distributors, dealers, gun magazines etc, should all be contributing to the cause. For once the ship sinks, we are all lost at sea

 

[turnandshoot4]

Isn't it often odd from where our biggest gun critics come from. One would think that most everyone here would be pro gun but by reading the forum one is often surprised. It's good enough to make money from but not worth risking a little controversy. The gun & ammunition manufacturers, distributors, dealers, gun magazines etc, should all be contributing to the cause. For once the ship sinks, we are all lost at sea

I do believe that was the whole point to this thread. We just need more people to do something to preserve their rights.

 

[right winger]

Very good.

I would like to this on my blog. If it is ok with you.

 

[4sarge]

I do believe that was the whole point to this thread. We just need more people to do something to preserve their rights.

Ironic isn't it