drunk officer kills motorcyclist

[Fargo]

I'm not waiting for any outcome...besides the final word of a jury.

But that is the whole point, a jury will never consider the evidence that he was .19 because somebody screwed the pooch.

Regardless of whether Bisard is found by a jury to be a criminal or not, there were so many things done so horribly wrong that day that need to be corrected. His guilt or innocence has nothing to do with that, particularly since many of those actions have made it legally impossible for jury to consider the actual evidence.


Joe

 

[downzero]

Does Indiana use grand juries in all criminal cases?

I do find it interesting that the prosecutor conceded the suppression issue, also. The standard for that isn't always easy to satisfy.

 

[Fargo]

Does Indiana use grand juries in all criminal cases?

I do find it interesting that the prosecutor conceded the suppression issue, also. The standard for that isn't always easy to satisfy.

No, Indiana allows filing by Information/Probable Cause Affadavit; a grand jury is typically used in less than 1% of cases filed.

I was also surprised that Brizzi rolled over without even having Grant Hawkins hear and suppress it. Then again, he hasn't exactly distinguished himself as a prosecutor.

The Indiana Supreme Court previously had vacated the ruling in Brown and was going to consider the matter this year. However, they dropped it after the statute was "fixed" and reinstated Brown.

With that in mind, I just don't see how you don't at least make Hawkins suppress it and then appeal him; especially since the Supremes already have indicated that they would like to look at the holding in Brown.

Joe

 

[public servant]

But that is the whole point, a jury will never consider the evidence that he was .19 because somebody screwed the pooch.

Regardless of whether Bisard is found by a jury to be a criminal or not, there were so many things done so horribly wrong that day that need to be corrected. His guilt or innocence has nothing to do with that, particularly since many of those actions have made it legally impossible for jury to consider the actual evidence.


Joe

IMPD employees ~1600 men and women. We'll say 1300* aren't brass...but patrolman pay grade, if you will. The only thing that concerns me is that possibly...one man may have given the other 1299 hard working, honest men and women of IMPD a black eye...not to mention the hurt inflicted on innocent families.

What the brass did or did not do is for the Mayor and the Chief to determine (or as Kirk states...possibly a grand jury). The only thing that interests me is what a jury says. The rest is just politics.

(*My numbers may be off...but you get the picture)

 

[JetGirl]

(*My numbers may be off...but you get the picture)

Well, you *have* been wrong before...

 

[public servant]

Well, you *have* been wrong before...

Yep...ask my better half...she keeps a running total.

You, sunshine...are like a bad penny...you just keep coming back.

 

[JetGirl]

Yep...ask my better half...she keeps a running total.

You, sunshine...are like a bad penny...you just keep coming back.

Well... you know what they say. Find something you love to do and then do it well.
Bugging the crap out of people works for me.

 

[E5RANGER375]

IMPD employees ~1600 men and women. We'll say 1300* aren't brass...but patrolman pay grade, if you will. The only thing that concerns me is that possibly...one man may have given the other 1299 hard working, honest men and women of IMPD a black eye...not to mention the hurt inflicted on innocent families.

What the brass did or did not do is for the Mayor and the Chief to determine (or as Kirk states...possibly a grand jury). The only thing that interests me is what a jury says. The rest is just politics.

(*My numbers may be off...but you get the picture)

I think your giving 1299 other police officers way too much credit. you know as well as all of us civies that theres more bad apples than one.

 

[Bigum1969]

Well... you know what they say. Find something you love to do and then do it well.
Bugging the crap out of people works for me.

My momma said that everyone, I mean everyone had something they were good at...

 

[public servant]

Well... you know what they say. Find something you love to do and then do it well.
Bugging the crap out of people works for me.

 

[level.eleven]

Since none of the LEO's involved in the investigation of the crash and the handling of Bisard knew the proper procedures for his blood draw, I guess when they arrest a Joe Blow for DUI they just throw darts at a board to determine where to take him, who does the draw, etc.

What are all these cops going to do over Labor Day weekend? After all, according to all the commercials we pay to hear they are "stepping up enforcement" and you "will go to jail". I would be interested to see the percentage of botched evidence.

 

[JetGirl]

Finally!! Recognized for my tireless efforts...
Man, that feels AWESOME!!
I'm gonna get that engraved on the back of an Einstein award and present it to myself. I might even write an acceptance speech...and if you play your cards right, I may just mention you. (Of course you know that by "you" I mean I'll be stating something like "and thanks to all the little people...and no, not IndyMonkey's midgets...")

 

[public servant]

I think your giving 1299 other police officers way too much credit. you know as well as all of us civies that theres more bad apples than one.

I have no doubt about that...that there are more. But the number is small...and those who are will eventually show their true colors.

I will say however that the number is not nearly as high as some here that have an axe to grind proclaim.

Ranger...it happens in all walks of life. It's unfortunate that it reflects badly on so many good men and women. But it will always be there...there is no way around it. They are nothing more that a cross section of society.

There is good and bad in everything.

 

[public servant]

Finally!! Recognized for my tireless efforts...
Man, that feels AWESOME!!
I'm gonna get that engraved on the back of an Einstein award and present it to myself. I might even write an acceptance speech...and if you play your cards right, I may just mention you. (Of course you know that by "you" I mean I'll be stating something like "and thanks to all the little people...and no, not IndyMonkey's midgets...")

You'll always be the best at it in my book.

 

[Field King]

The prosecutor is saying the statute requires the blood be drawn at a hospital by a licensed technician, it was drawn at a health clinic, if this was Joe Q. Public whom caused the crash and killed someone the prosecutor would have requested a hearing to define the definition of a "hospital" and would have argued the person drawing the blood met the same pre requisites and qualifications as required due to experience commensurate with the licensed technicians and the Judge would have agreed? At least this is what most citizens think would have taken place, it does not help any that the prosecutor himself is under scrutiny from his own un-ethical behavior, so many believe he may not be the best to decide, why did he not pass the decision on to another "special" prosecutor to ward off any question of impropriety?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

The prosecutor is saying the statute requires the blood be drawn at a hospital by a licensed technician, it was drawn at a health clinic, if this was Joe Q. Public whom caused the crash and killed someone the prosecutor would have requested a hearing to define the definition of a "hospital" and would have argued the person drawing the blood met the same pre requisites and qualifications as required due to experience commensurate with the licensed technicians and the Judge would have agreed?

If this was Joe Q. Public someone would not have told the police to intentionally torpedo the investigation.

And that is a FACT (Fatal Alcohol Crash Team).

Show us the records, Carl! Who told them?

 

[E5RANGER375]

I have no doubt about that...that there are more. But the number is small...and those who are will eventually show their true colors.

I will say however that the number is not nearly as high as some here that have an axe to grind proclaim.

Ranger...it happens in all walks of life. It's unfortunate that it reflects badly on so many good men and women. But it will always be there...there is no way around it. They are nothing more that a cross section of society.

There is good and bad in everything.

they do show their true colors. unfortunatly they dont get proper punishment if any. how do we end the turning of a blind eye, because of the flash of the badge courtessy? i asked before but no one answers me.

I have just the same axe to grind with bad cops as I do with bad soldiers when I was in and now. I get my dishonorable soldier flame on too. you just dont see it because I rarely see the stories posted here to comment on. Also I get my dirty politician flame on here and also im on the phone a lot to them too. Im an equal opportunity axe grinder. I hate double standards.

Im NOT an anti-leo SOB, some believe me to be. My family and I just spent half the day with a good LEO friend and his family.

 

[JetGirl]

You'll always be the best at it in my book.

I gotta give credit where credit is due. I've had a LOT of practice being obnoxious...just ask Jay.

I hate double standards.

Well, who doesn't?

 

[E5RANGER375]

Well, who doesn't?

the people on the receiving end of the double standard. always some willing to let their buddy sneak them in the back door of the movie theatre for free. Thats what i mean.

Some people know thats dishonest and will refuse to do it.

how about free meals and drinks for cops, firefighters, or emts, soldiers, etc. its not right.

 

[Lex Concord]

Because the government can't fire you for refusing to give up your constitutional rights.

Best,


Joe

No, not directly, but the revocation of the driving privilege can have the same consequences. The same coercion is there for most, it's just not recognized because it's not direct.