Mexican bullets hit person in El Paso

[hoosierdoc]

Update: Mayor Cook to hold news conference at 5 p.m. regarding today's shooting - El Paso Times

Remind me not to live within ballistic trajectory of a hell-hole

 

[sloughfoot]

I have spent time in 2004 on the Arizona border in the Nogales sector. We took fire all day long and well into the night. Border Patrol vehicles are routinely peppered by gunfire from the south.

There is nothing new with gunfire from the south. The ranchers on the border loved that we were there.They fed us and let us stay on their property as long as we were willing to foot patrol their property.

I have heard of folks returning fire with their M1 Garand with 30.06 LC ammo and scoped bolt action rifle in 308 caliber with 168 SMK bullets, but nobody that I know admits to it. I don't know anything about it. I have heard rumors about it though.

My Suburban has two bullet holes in it.

The group of 50 mules (men, women, and children) with backpacks full of marijuana were escorted by Mexican army soldiers armed with HK91 rifles. They were apprehended 5 miles south of Fort Huachuca as they came down out of the Huachuca mountains. My buddy Dave and I were on a listening post and we alerted our highers who got the BP coming. This is not a hearsay event. I was there.

 

[loudpedal]

Some countries would regard this as an act of war.

 

[Whitsettd8]

It's only an act of war if your country has oil

 

[sloughfoot]

Some countries would regard this as an act of war.

Not our country. It is getting worse and US citizens are on their own. AZ wants to take action, but the Feds stop them in the courts.

You can't even go to your mailbox without a sidearm. I talked to many women who have fired to keep the illegals away while they were cooking dinner.

Worse, most of the border ranchers have been there for generations. They speak spanish. Everyone that I talked to told stories of hearing folks crossing their property and the language they heard was not spanish or english.

Mandarin? Farsi? They don't know..

 

[sloughfoot]

The fence. The pickup is on the Mexican side trying to warn and pickup crossers that we are on the fence and they will get caught. Do you see the footpath?

 

[sloughfoot]

The path going north into Arizona from the border fence. I was at the fence watching my buddy Dave walk north.

 

[sloughfoot]

This kind of stuff is all over the desert. that is a little boy's underwear left behind at a pickup spot..

 

[sloughfoot]

The border fence. If Dave or I had taken two steps south, we would have been taken into custody by the Mexican Army and thrown into jail. It is crazy down there. We are both carrying 1911's. Dave has his on his pistol belt. Mine is concealed under the shooting jacket. Our Garands are pretty close by and loaded and on safe.

 

[Outlaw]

Not our country. It is getting worse and US citizens are on their own. AZ wants to take action, but the Feds stop them in the courts.

You can't even go to your mailbox without a sidearm. I talked to many women who have fired to keep the illegals away while they were cooking dinner.

Worse, most of the border ranchers have been there for generations. They speak spanish. Everyone that I talked to told stories of hearing folks crossing their property and the language they heard was not spanish or english.

Mandarin? Farsi? They don't know..

Sounds like a good training exercise. INGO road trip?

 

[Leo]

Sloughfoot has described what I saw doing missionary work in Matamores. In addition to lobbing ammo North, there is a habit of just shooting in the air, seemingly out of boredom. I saw men exit buildings, step to the middle of the street and shoot some rounds in the air for no reason, stand there for a minute and just walk back in the building. This is in heavy populated areas with NO spare land anywhere. All those drug gangs and crooked Federales just kind of feed on each others stupidity. Our country needs to quit screwing around with every arab stuggle and have those soldiers take our country back.

 

[boozoo]

It's only an act of war if your country has oil

Oil reserves in Mexico - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I think they have some.

 

[sloughfoot]

They have a LOT. I installed fire and explosion suppression systems on lots of PEMEX facilities in the 70's and 80's. They know how to get it out of the ground and get it into the system. I also did a lot of work for ARAMCO and PETROBRAS during the same period. I started up the Alyeska pipeline in 1977 and 1978 as far as the explosion suppression systems on the 12 pump stations. Best project I ever worked. I could go anywhere in Alaska and they paid for it.

Our country stifles oil production and allows the foreign companies to exploit our resources.

We are SO screwed.

 

[jedi]

Some countries would regard this as an act of war.

Hum.. But this was a shooter on the Mexico side that ended up shooting a Mexican citizen on the US side in error as the bullets were being fired to the Mexican police. How is that an act of war?

Worse, most of the border ranchers have been there for generations. They speak spanish. Everyone that I talked to told stories of hearing folks crossing their property and the language they heard was not spanish or english.

Mandarin? Farsi? They don't know..

^This is what worries me more. Sleeper cells in our country just waiting.

BTW what were you doing on the border based on all those pics?
-Jedi

 

[goinggreyfast]

ASARCO Plant- El Paso, TX

Here's a picture of a now defunct plant a stone's throw from the Mexican Border in El Paso. I was there a couple of years ago when working for an environmental/demolition company. The smoke stack is the largest I have ever seen. (828 feet tall) The Mexican side of this stack is riddled with bullet holes.

BTW, they will be cleaning up toxins at this site for years to come.

There's an interesting article about this plant here:
http://www.kpbs.org/news/2011/nov/18/manufacturing-factory-preservation-history-restore/

 

[Kirk Freeman]

The US-Mexico border violent? Do tell. Tell Charley Askins.

It's always been that way and will likely always be that way.

sloughfoot, if you saw HK91s it is unlikely that they were Mexican Army.

If you meant G3s, likely Mexican Army or guns from the Mexican Army.

 

[sloughfoot]

HK91 and G3 look a lot alike at 5AM when people are carrying them across your front, 30 yards distant.

BP swarmed them and captured all but the tail guy. We found him later in the day and we gave him cheerios and a t-shirt while we waited for BP. He was all over the news for a couple of days, if you recall.

BTW, we were there as part of the Minuteman Project.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

HK91 and G3 look a lot alike at 5AM when people are carrying them across your front, 30 yards distant.

Yeah, but you know better than to say HK91 to a bunch of gun geeks.

 

[cagilber]

To think the company I work for (Cummins) thinks we are safe staying in El Paso near the border when we go to work in Juarez. I'm glad we get to ride in armored Suburbans into Mexico, but having to walk across the border crossing and bridge doesn't sound like such a good idea anymore!

 

[sharpetop]

I used to walk across the bridge to Juarez 20 plus years ago to watch the dancing girls and have a few beverages. I wouldn't even consider it today.