Gunsmithing: Cleaning up an OLD gun

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  • IndyGunworks

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    This is an old mossberg 42a from early world war 2 era. I believe it was made to be sent to the british as a 22lr trainer for the enfields. The gun was put into storage w/out proper oiling and here is what it takes to get it back to 100 percent condition.

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    What it looked like once out of the wood

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    RUST

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    Nasty old paint on the rear sight

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    rust, and you can see in the background how rusty some of the screws were once they came out.

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    RUST

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    DUST

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    I took this picture to show general grime, and to take as a before to show what a thorough cleaning will do, including the threads of every screw/bolt that came out.

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    RUST

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    ok, now that its all apart, lets do a very complete cleaning, scrubbing, degreasing, and degriming. I have my parts washer rigged up to a foot pedal so i can have on demand solvent w/out it constantly running splashing me w/ the stuff. It also has bubblegum scent added to it to keep the shop from stinkin up.

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    The main stuff i used to get the rust off. 0000 steel wool and CLP

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    After a bit of scrubbin

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    These screws had to be cleaned before they would even come out.

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    Look at the differance of the screw on the right compared to the left, thats why my screw driver wouldnt fit. Thats after i cleaned the junk out of the screw on the right.

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    Got it apart.

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    and some more dissasembly, look at the crud under this sling swivel.

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    Some rust thats not just surface rust will not come up with just steel wool this is an example.

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    I have a 100 year old screwdriver i bought off a fellow ingo member that since the ends are so dull, it works perfect for sraping thick rust. be careful though you need a feel for it. to much and you gough the metal under neith. not enough and you remove nothing. dont slip and scratch the bluing either.

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    Here is the proggression of the rust from scraping to steel wool.

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    This is when you know its time to get a fresh piece of steel wool.

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    More rust that was scrape worthy, before and after.

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    Cleanin up the bolt.

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    Proggression of cleaning up the barrel.

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    Cleaning the crappy old paint off the rear sight to return it to original condition w/out messing up the patina.

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    What the once clear solvent looked like after some scrubbin.

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    After pictures of the trigger group once it was cleaned and reassembled, and the after picture of the forend screw once it was cleaned up.

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    I put some clear shoe polish on the unsealed wood inside the stocks inletting. this helps prevent it from absorbing moisture then releasing it back onto the metal causing more rust in the future.

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    Then EVERY square inch of metal was very generaously coated w/ rig grease and allowed to sit for around an hour.

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    After pictures of the grease wiped off, and the rear sight after the paint was removed and the sight relubed.

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    Hopefully this give you guys an insight into what it takes to clean up that old gun you inherit. Time, patience, the proper tools, and a bit of experience really helped turn this bucket of rust into a a rather fine firearm. It checked out perfectly w/ the headspace guages and while it was difficult to pick rounds up out of the mag, fired them w/out a hitch leaving a really nice looking firing pin indentation.

    After all this, i hope i preserved this gun enough to make it last until at least the next generation gets it.
     
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    jmdavis984

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    The gun looks GREAT. Nick did a great job on this one. The care and patience it must have taken to get all that rust off was WAY more than what I would have done for it.
     

    JML

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    Very nice write up.I enjoyed it.Hopefully posts like this will give us our gunsmithing subforum that we need.
     

    IndyGunworks

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    Very nice write up.I enjoyed it.Hopefully posts like this will give us our gunsmithing subforum that we need.

    Thats the goal. It was a MAJOR PITA to take these pictures w/ oily hands just to get a subforum where i can browse and learn. But i am doing my part, so lets ALL make some gunsmithings threads.
     

    Boiled Owl

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    I'm enjoying your posts on gunsmithing. I wanted to be a tool and diemaker but all the shops left here around the time I graduated.
    But that hasn't stopped me from rounding out the shop for farm maintenance and the capability to do smithing work which I dabble at.
     

    nicajack

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    I have done this to many guns over the years. It is a hobby that I thoroughly enjoy. Always challenge myself to make them look better than I thought they could.
    I never scrape any exposed surface of a firearm with a steel object, as you do with the screwdriver. I take an old .30-30 or .30-06 case and flatten the case mouth closed with a hammer, then use it as a scraper. The brass is much easier on bluing and will not mark the steel. Solvent removes the brassy colored residue on the gun metal.....Brass brushes, also. A copper or brass kitchen pot scrubber is also a good item to remove rust and will not scratch the finish, either.
    Refinishing stocks is another project in which I take pride in my work....John
     

    David

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    Nice job! What did you use to reblue the sight? I've got the barrel of the Mauser i'm working on down to bare metal and am not sure how i'm going to refinish it yet, i've tried a couple cold blues but haven't found anything that holds up worth a darn yet.
     

    IndyGunworks

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    I have done this to many guns over the years. It is a hobby that I thoroughly enjoy. Always challenge myself to make them look better than I thought they could.
    I never scrape any exposed surface of a firearm with a steel object, as you do with the screwdriver. I take an old .30-30 or .30-06 case and flatten the case mouth closed with a hammer, then use it as a scraper. The brass is much easier on bluing and will not mark the steel. Solvent removes the brassy colored residue on the gun metal.....Brass brushes, also. A copper or brass kitchen pot scrubber is also a good item to remove rust and will not scratch the finish, either.
    Refinishing stocks is another project in which I take pride in my work....John

    If time were not of a concern that is great advice, and also good advice for the average person. I have always used a rounded steel screwdriver tip, and the ability to use a 100 year old screw driver at that is kinda cool. MANY MANY MANY hours doing this on probably 50 plus firearms i have never had a woops, and have always used steel. Brass, would be the safer choice though.

    Nice job! What did you use to reblue the sight? I've got the barrel of the Mauser i'm working on down to bare metal and am not sure how i'm going to refinish it yet, i've tried a couple cold blues but haven't found anything that holds up worth a darn yet.

    I did not reblue the sight. I did not reblue ANYTHING as that would have taken away from the value of the gun. All the blueing you see is original it just wasnt able to be seen before because of all the rust.
     

    David

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    I needd to check my prescription, it says relubed, I read it as reblued.
     

    LionWeight

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    Looks pretty good. If you don't mind my asking can you pm me what you paid for it? I want to try to get a couple old guns and see what I can accomplish with them.
     
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    Looks like it turned out great! A few months ago, I found an old Winchester model 67 in my attic, and it was all rusted. I had a lot of fun getting it cleaned up, and I wish I would have taken photos of it before and during the process. This weekend I'll snap a few shots and post them...

    EDIT: Photos are up, and you can see them here.
     
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    tman

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    It didn't seem to remove any of the blueing, just the surface corrosion. I tried it on some less important parts first. I had read that it did on other forums if you leave it in too long but I didn't see it happen. I used a battery charger and left it in for 3 or 4 hours. I had my doubts but I was pretty impressed with how it turned out.

    I did drop a rusty horseshoe in and it didn't touch it but it may have had too much corrosion on it. It was fun to mess with.
     
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    IndyGunworks

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    It didn't seem to remove any of the blueing, just the surface corrosion. I tried it on some less important parts first. I had read that it did on other forums if you leave it in too long but I didn't see it happen. I used a battery charger and left it in for 3 or 4 hours. I had my doubts but I was pretty impressed with how it turned out.

    I did drop a rusty horseshoe in and it didn't touch it but it may have had too much corrosion on it. It was fun to mess with.

    on a gun w/ no intrinsic value i think this would be an excellant idea. however this particular guns value goes up the better the original finish is. i dont think i could feel comforitable using that method on something like this. and old savage .22 or a nagant or something sure, but i definatly wouldnt want this job to be the one to try it out on.

    It might be something worth considering if it DOES remove blueing. polishing a gun out for reblueing is a PITA and the more blueing that can be removed w/out using paper the better

    either way, thanks for posting that, might be a good skill to master.:yesway:
     
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