How could this happen with the right holster.

[Fedempl]

Gun accidentally fires in Fort Wayne Walmart store - 13 WTHR Indianapolis

 

[KLB]

It does not say it was in the holster.

 

[SideArmed]

Very vague on detail. Why did he have it out of the holster? Did he pull it out to show someone? Or is this one of those guns you hear about jumping out of the holster and going on a killing rampage all by itself?

Guy probably was pulling it out to show it off, or coonfinger it with his other gun buddies.

 

[dbrier]

I agree.
Many of the "cleaning" accidents are reported that way to avoid embarassment from the shooter who doesn't want to say he was dicking around.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

It does not say it was in the holster.

It does:

after the weapon fell out of a customer's holster.

Anyway.

Cheap holsters will cough out a gun if you move wrong. Those cheapy fabric Uncle Mike's with the plastic clip are a great example. I bought one for a Beretta 9000S years ago when there weren't many holsters available yet and I wanted to be able to use it at the range while my custom holster was being made. The inside was so slick and there was no retention, no way would I have used it off range.

Oh, and dupe:

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...scussion/288691-nd_in_fort_wayne_walmart.html

 

[cbhausen]

...or from the surviving family members who do not want to acknowledge a suicide, maybe?

I agree.
Many of the "cleaning" accidents are reported that way to avoid embarassment from the shooter who doesn't want to say he was dicking around.

 

[cosermann]

Potential lessons:

• Use a quality holster.
• Carry a handgun that's a modern drop safe design.
• If a gun does fall - LET IT GO. In the course of trying to grab it in the air you can slip a finger into the triggerguard and bad things can happen. Far safer to let it go and pick it up off the deck afterwards.

 

[Paul30]

Glockcidental discharges are common. Many claim there is no "external safety". Which means there is no operator useable safety. Any internal safety's are strictly for drop protection or keep it from firing out of battery. If it snags on the holster, a finger, or anything else it can easily discharge. Many say the safety is between the ears, or use the overly general term "quality" holster. No one specifies which holsters are quality, how many times you can holster the weapon before it needs replaced, or how to count how many times it has been holstered. How to measure it for wear with a micrometer, etc. To those claiming a revolver has no safety they are wrong, the revolver is a double action handgun. There is a huge difference in a short striker fired trigger pull and a long hard double action trigger pull. I hear of glocks discharging often, I have never heard of a revolver accidentally discharging due to holstering.
The information is not out yet. There are a few reasons to unholster, and you should not have to worry about a gun discharging when you reholster.

I have even read where people forget when they lay their gun on a toilet paper holder because they didn't want some degenerate grabbing their gun underneath a stall while they were on the toilet with their pants and holster down around their ankles.

I would reserve judgement until the details are released, if they are ever released. I was at a gun show once where a cop shot a 10mm bullet through his femur. You guessed it, seeing if a new holster would fit his Glock. A simple google search for Glockcidental Discharge.

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclien...83,d.dmQ&fp=c1566bd9f347232c&biw=1366&bih=569

 

[poptab]

Do you have some actual data or just a few anecdotal stories? I have been looking for hard data but all I have found are mostly second hand interwebs legend.

 

[billybob44]

Interesting Stories...

Glockcidental discharges are common. Many claim there is no "external safety". Which means there is no operator useable safety. Any internal safety's are strictly for drop protection or keep it from firing out of battery. If it snags on the holster, a finger, or anything else it can easily discharge. Many say the safety is between the ears, or use the overly general term "quality" holster. No one specifies which holsters are quality, how many times you can holster the weapon before it needs replaced, or how to count how many times it has been holstered. How to measure it for wear with a micrometer, etc. To those claiming a revolver has no safety they are wrong, the revolver is a double action handgun. There is a huge difference in a short striker fired trigger pull and a long hard double action trigger pull. I hear of glocks discharging often, I have never heard of a revolver accidentally discharging due to holstering.
The information is not out yet. There are a few reasons to unholster, and you should not have to worry about a gun discharging when you reholster.

I have even read where people forget when they lay their gun on a toilet paper holder because they didn't want some degenerate grabbing their gun underneath a stall while they were on the toilet with their pants and holster down around their ankles.

I would reserve judgement until the details are released, if they are ever released. I was at a gun show once where a cop shot a 10mm bullet through his femur. You guessed it, seeing if a new holster would fit his Glock. A simple google search for Glockcidental Discharge.

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sclien...83,d.dmQ&fp=c1566bd9f347232c&biw=1366&bih=569

Not sure about the "pants and holster down around their ankles." part??

When I carry (Glock or otherwise) I will ONLY carry in a good holster.
For me-Finger is NOT on the trigger until the sights are on the target...Bill.

 

[Valvestate]

It's all about the weakest link. Crappy gun or crappy holster or crappy user or crappy combination of those three.

 

[Paul30]

Not sure about the "pants and holster down around their ankles." part??

When I carry (Glock or otherwise) I will ONLY carry in a good holster.
For me-Finger is NOT on the trigger until the sights are on the target...Bill.

Some carry in a inside the waistband holster that is attached to their belt. If they are in a public bathroom stall in a #2 bathroom function, their pants/belt/holstered gun would be on the floor or around their ankles where someone could easily reach underneath the stall while they are occupied and snatch a gun from the holster and run. Meanwhile you sit there with an empty holster, your pants around your ankles, and some slightly used toilet paper in your hand. The guy could be long gone before you could catch them if they snatch and run. Some choose to unholster the gun and lay it somewhere the guy in the next stall can't easily reach it, like on top of the toilet paper holder, then reholster when the job is finished. Under this situation, if they re holstered with a holster that drug on the trigger it could go off. That is the pants around the ankles scenario. Kinda makes you want to go to a shoulder holster and avoid the problem altogether.

 

[GLOCKMAN23C]

Repeat after me....This is my safety (while holding trigger finger straight out.)

 

[MikeDVB]

Repeat after me....This is my safety (while holding trigger finger straight out.)

That doesn't really apply if the gun falls to the ground and discharges on it's own [unless I misunderstand the incident?].

That said, proper gear goes a long way. I don't get why people pay $$$$$$ for guns and $ for holsters/accessories/training.

 

[GLOCKMAN23C]

That doesn't really apply if the gun falls to the ground and discharges on it's own [unless I misunderstand the incident?].

That said, proper gear goes a long way. I don't get why people pay $$$$$$ for guns and $ for holsters/accessories/training.

True, I couldn't read the story on my phone. I'm curious as to the gun/holster combination.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Most important take away--it is not just fingers:

1. Holsters cause guns to fire.

2. Gravity causes guns to fire.

3. All kinds of goofy stuff other than fingers cause guns to fire.

4. Loading and unloading cause guns to fire.

It is a gun, not a magic charm. Treat it as a snake not a toy.

 

[billybob44]

Thanks (I Think??) for the clarification...

Some carry in a inside the waistband holster that is attached to their belt. If they are in a public bathroom stall in a #2 bathroom function, their pants/belt/holstered gun would be on the floor or around their ankles where someone could easily reach underneath the stall while they are occupied and snatch a gun from the holster and run. Meanwhile you sit there with an empty holster, your pants around your ankles, and some slightly used toilet paper in your hand. The guy could be long gone before you could catch them if they snatch and run. Some choose to unholster the gun and lay it somewhere the guy in the next stall can't easily reach it, like on top of the toilet paper holder, then reholster when the job is finished. Under this situation, if they re holstered with a holster that drug on the trigger it could go off. That is the pants around the ankles scenario. Kinda makes you want to go to a shoulder holster and avoid the problem altogether.

Paul, I appreciate you spelling that out for me??
I DO realize the FAIL in having your EDC in the holster, on the floor of a public restroom.

For ME, I adapt as needed-Coat hook, TP dispenser, back of the toilet tank, etc.....

Hell, I have even been known to just let my EDC "Swing" in my "Tighty Whiteys", where "Fred" usually rides! JUST TRY to get it out of there..HA HA...Bill.