Yes, and the various polls we've had have confirmed this. What makes it seem heavily conservative is that we have a number of conservatives who fit the Furious Typer mold, and the volume and vehemence of their posts tends to outweigh that of the libertarian side.
Dangit, now I'm a troll... In my defense, I hang out here the most because it's what I enjoy talking about.Some folks come here and rarely post anything beyond the politics section, or politically related threads and only vaguely tie them into gun politics. These are the trolls.
Dangit, now I'm a troll... In my defense, I hang out here the most because it's what I enjoy talking about.
Link seems broken.I wrote this analysis several months ago. Maybe some of you would like to check it out.
The differences between a "conservative" and a "libertarian"
For example, a liberal may say stay out of people's bedrooms, until it is their 12 year old daughter having sex with a 20 year old man. Then they want government intervention, and implementation of the death penalty. Conversely, a libertarian farmer will have distain for government intervention unless and until he needs it to save his farm. We all want outcomes that favor us.
It's funny that you say that, because I've read a tremendous amount of scholarship that suggests that even 50 years ago, the same debate was going on about the meaning of the word.
Furthermore, if a word you're using takes on a meaning totally contrary to its definition, wouldn't you agree that's an incorrect use of the word? The word "liberal" has the same root word as "liberty." Is stealing my money at gunpoint, "liberty"? Obviously not and we should rightly condemn anyone who calls that such.
The "leftist" comment illustrates another point in this essay, that there is no left and right.
Furthermore, I have never, not even once, seen a progressive democrat call himself a liberal. I have seen Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, etc., call these people liberals, but never the people themselves.
But if you can't stand the difference in wording, copy the document, use the replace function to replace "liberal" with "libertarian" and continue reading. While I do think it is important to have an understanding of what the words mean, it's not the real crux of the work.
If a dictionary cannot define terms or words, or we cannot use word history to decide what they mean, what defines the bounds of a word's use?
Many progressive tenets are completely opposite to the dictionary definition of liberalism. In Economics, we call free trade and other free market policies "liberalization." Are you telling me that protectionist policies and interventionist monetary/fiscal policies are now the liberal positions?
Additionally, most of the world, including our ally Great Britain, has a "liberal" party that is much like our libertarians. They call their progressive party what it is--labour! Germany is the same way.
And, since someone mentioned "true" conservatism, I'd ask you to define that as well. If this essay is correct, conservatism has no unifying philosophy and thus "true conservatism" is whatever is going on at the time. If conservatism really isn't a philosophy other than to put the brakes on the philosophy of progressives, there certainly aren't too many people left to defend freedom, especially when progressives and conservatives are at odds with liberals.
And I assure you, that if you read the article, you'll have some actual substantive criticism, because you're most of the way there, but you just have to read the material before you can engage in a debate about it, I'm sorry to say.
It's all good... I didn't think you really meant that the way it came out, so no worries.I'm not really talking about folks who enjoy discussing things, though I am having a hard time clearly writing what I mean with the distinction. The folks who are here just to beat their political drum are the types of people I consider trolls.
Yes, and the various polls we've had have confirmed this. What makes it seem heavily conservative is that we have a number of conservatives who fit the Furious Typer mold, and the volume and vehemence of their posts tends to outweigh that of the libertarian side.
It's all good... I didn't think you really meant that the way it came out, so no worries.
Dangit, now I'm a troll... In my defense, I hang out here the most because it's what I enjoy talking about.
Hello Pot, Kettle calling....
It amazes me how you guys say that the Conservatives are "Furious Typers" when as I see it it is just the opposite. The Lefties on here drag on and on and on trying to make their point.
If I don't believe it, I tend not to type it, unless I'm doing so ironically. I can only speak for myself, of course.C'mon, do you guys really believe all you type...
I don't think I've ever tried to pound my views on others. I offer counterpoints. I try to represent my point of view to the best of my ability. This is not what a Furious Typer does, as the page at the link states. If anything, I'm more of a Tireless Rebutter mixed with a Capitalista, though I one day hope to be a Philosopher....and how you try to pound your views on others while totally negating theirs?
I absolutely do not want anyone to do as I say, and I'm more interested in having people think, rather than think as I say. I don't want any power over anyone, as anyone who's read my posts would know.Same old story from your side, do and think as I say and not as I do.
Hello Pot, Kettle calling....
It amazes me how you guys say that the Conservatives are "Furious Typers" when as I see it it is just the opposite. The Lefties on here drag on and on and on trying to make their point. If that verbage marathon is not enough you resort to cut and paste tactics. C'mon, do you guys really believe all you type and how you try to pound your views on others while totally negating theirs? Same old story from your side, do and think as I say and not as I do. "The problem is the definition of the word is", Sound familiar?
I think arguments like these happen so often because the term liberal or libertarian doesn't completely describe you or me, so we revert to arguing "that's not what it means!" when we really mean "that doesn't describe me!". Belonging to a group like liberals or libertarians has it ups and downs. When you state what you are (liberal) people get a very quick run-down of what your beliefs are, but they also assume that you are what they believe liberals, by their definition, are. So many of their assumptions can be incorrect. I don't know where I'm going with this, so that's it.
Same here. I love guns but I barely have much to say about them unless I have a question. Defending our rights is an everyday endeavor.
"(Chicago: The University of Chicago Press, 1960)"
I'll read a University of Chicago publication from the 60s when I'm not busy with important things like picking out the junk between my toes.
I think in fairness we need to define our terms.
The last thing I have ever considered myself is "liberal." However I have largely found that I agree with the libertarian platform, which does have some parallels with true "liberalism."
Modern day liberalism has perverted a term which was once something very positive, into something synonymous with Socialism, collectivism, welfare, etc.
At its inception liberalism was about strong individual rights. Today in America it is about collective rights.
Similarly, people associate "Conservatism" with international meddling, constant warring with other nations, and a developing police state. I don't think this is what true conservatism represents either.
However, we are left with the associations that these modern terms have been pinned with. That's why I consider myself libertarian more than anything.
In regards to the Founders, I think that in their own day they would have been described as liberals, in modern times they would be libertarians. They were not the gun-grabbing socialists that you may be associating the term with. They were liberators.