well we will soon be slaves

[tyler34]

hr 1388 passed




GovTrack: House Vote On Passage: H.R. 1388: Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act

 

[jedi]

Short summary of bill please?
I see my rep like usual voted YEY.

 

[CulpeperMM]

mark souder voted yeah on this. he is a slime ball. He just sold our children.

 

[Scutter01]

Short summary of bill please?
I see my rep like usual voted YEY.

3/9/2009--Introduced.
Generations Invigorating Volunteerism and Education Act or the GIVE Act - Amends the National and Community Service Act of 1990 (NSCA) and the Domestic Volunteer Service Act of 1973 (DVSA) to revise the programs under such Acts and reauthorize appropriations for such programs through FY2014.
Revises under NSCA: (1) the School-Based and Community-Based Service-Learning programs and Higher Education Innovative Programs for Community Service (Learn and Serve programs); (2) National Service Trust programs (AmeriCorps); (3) the National Civilian Community Corps (NCCC); and (4) the Investment for Quality and Innovation program.
Eliminates the current Community-Based Learn and Serve programs.
Establishes two new Learn and Serve programs: (1) Campuses of Service, which provides funds to institutions of higher education to develop or disseminate exemplary service-learning programs that assist their students' pursuit of public service careers; and (2) Innovative Service-Learning Programs and Research, which funds community service-learning opportunities for elementary and secondary, college, and graduate students as well as research into service-learning.
Includes among eligible AmeriCorps programs: (1) an Education Corps to address unmet educational needs; (2) a Healthy Futures Corps to address unmet health needs; (3) a Clean Energy Corps to address unmet environmental needs; and (4) a Veterans Corps to address the unmet needs of veterans and their families.
Creates AmeriCorps Opportunity Corps programs that include certain existing programs and new programs to: (1) increase community access to technology; (2) engage citizens in public safety, health, and emergency preparedness services; (3) mentor youth; (4) reduce recidivism by re-engaging court-involved youth; and (5) support the needs of veterans or active duty service members and their families.
Establishes an Education Awards Only program authorizing the Corporation for National and Community Service (Corporation) to provide fixed-amount grants to programs that have approved national service positions, but no AmeriCorps funding.
Sets the National Service educational awards for full-time AmeriCorps, NCCC, and Volunteers in Service to America (VISTA) participants at a level equal to the maximum available Pell Grant available to students under the Higher Education Act of 1965.
Includes among needs to be met under the NCCC program, disaster relief, infrastructure improvement, environmental and energy conservation, and urban and rural development.
Requires states to develop comprehensive plans for volunteer and paid service by Baby Boomers and older adults.
Directs the Corporation to plan pilot programs to: (1) better target and serve displaced workers; and (2) establish a centralized electronic citizenship verification system which would allow the Corporation to share employment eligibility information with the Department of Education.
Authorizes the Corporation to treat September 11th annually as a National Day of Service and Remembrance.
Establishes within the Investment for Quality and Innovation program: (1) a ServeAmerica Fellowships program providing fellowships to individuals chosen by states to participate in service projects addressing certain areas of national need; (2) a Silver Scholarship Grant Program providing scholarships to individuals age 55 or older who complete at least 500 hours of service in a year in an area of national need; and (3) an Encore Fellowships program providing one-year fellowships to individuals age 55 or older who serve in areas of national need and receive training to transition to public service employment. Makes ServeAmerica fellows eligible for national service educational awards.
Authorizes the Corporation to provide grants to innovative and model service programs, including those for disadvantaged youth, youth under age 17, and potential recidivists.
Eliminates federal funding for the Points of Light Foundation.
Revises under DVSA: (1) the VISTA program; and (2) the Senior Corps, including the Retired and Senior Volunteer program (RSVP), the Foster Grandparent program, and the Senior Companion program.
Gives priority in VISTA participant selection to disadvantaged youth and retired adults of any profession.
Authorizes new VISTA grant programs of national significance that provide poor and rural communities with: (1) services reintegrating formerly incarcerated individuals into society; (2) financial literacy and planning; (3) before-school and after-school services; (4) community economic development initiatives; (5) assistance to veterans and their families; and (6) health and wellness services. Eliminates the VISTA Literacy Corps, University Year for VISTA, and Literacy Challenge Grant programs.
Raises the minimum and maximum stipend provided to VISTA participants.
Prioritizes RSVP projects in specified areas.
Makes anyone 55 years of age or older eligible as Senior Corps volunteers.
Provides, under the Senior Corps demonstration program, incentive matching grants to Senior Corps programs that exceed specified performance measures, enroll most of their volunteers in outcome-based service programs, and increase their enrollment of Baby Boomer volunteers.
Expresses the sense of the Congress that the number of AmeriCorps, VISTA, and NCCC participants should reach 250,000 by 2014.
Congressional Commission on Civic Service Act - Establishes a Congressional Commission on Civic Service to provide recommendations to Congress on improving opportunities for individuals to volunteer or perform national service.

 

[Ashkelon]

Ever see a dead hog out in the feed lot bloating under the hot summer sun? If you haven't read the above posted legislation and you will get an idea of what i mean

 

[SavageEagle]

Basiclly serve mandatory Community service and a bunch of other stuff. Right?

 

[Rattlesnake46319]

Doesn't mandatory community service kinda defeat the whole idea of "volunteering"?

 

[SavageEagle]

and (2) establish a centralized electronic citizenship verification system which would allow the Corporation to share employment eligibility information with the Department of Education.

That WOULD allow a lot more than just that.

treat September 11th annually as a National Day of Service and Remembrance.

Now this I can applaud.

Establishes within the Investment for Quality and Innovation program: (1) a ServeAmerica Fellowships program providing fellowships to individuals chosen by states to participate in service projects addressing certain areas of national need; (2) a Silver Scholarship Grant Program providing scholarships to individuals age 55 or older who complete at least 500 hours of service in a year in an area of national need; and (3) an Encore Fellowships program providing one-year fellowships to individuals age 55 or older who serve in areas of national need and receive training to transition to public service employment.

UH.... :wtf: Read that twice....

Expresses the sense of the Congress that the number of AmeriCorps, VISTA, and NCCC participants should reach 250,000 by 2014.
Congressional Commission on Civic Service Act - Establishes a Congressional Commission on Civic Service to provide recommendations to Congress on improving opportunities for individuals to volunteer or perform national service.

From what I understand, if you fall into any of the categories, you would have to become part of these groups. It sounds warm and fuzzy until you think about the costs aswell.

 

[jeremy]

Surprise! We are all ready slaves...

 

[fire1035]

I guess I failed to read where it says any of this "volunteerism" is mandatory? Can someone point that out specifically?

 

[SavageEagle]

I guess I failed to read where it says any of this "volunteerism" is mandatory? Can someone point that out specifically?

Look for that requirement to be added right before or after the bill becomes law. obamatard talked about this in his campaign. Pressing that it should be mandatory for every youth ages 15-17 should complete 300+ hours of Community Service and join some type of program. I don't remember specificlly, but I also know I'm not the only one that remembers that.

This is obamatard's design. The dems love it. It will be in there unless we stop it.

 

[fire1035]

I will assume then that should it be added that the only repercussions for it would be a lack of federal assistance for school or something, much like not signing up for selective service. My child will NOT be forced to volunteer, he can go through church, scouts or whatever but it will not be in a government program. And we won't qualify for federal student aid anyway, the wife and I are both productive members of society.

 

[singlesix]

Reading the Bill I still don't see where we will be "Slaves". The sky is falling; the sky is falling.

 

[jedi]

I will assume then that should it be added that the only repercussions for it would be a lack of federal assistance for school or something, much like not signing up for selective service. My child will NOT be forced to volunteer, he can go through church, scouts or whatever but it will not be in a government program. And we won't qualify for federal student aid anyway, the wife and I are both productive members of society.

+1 for you Fire. However the danger is in what the "legislation" is trying to do. As it is written it's just a small program in which a young MAY volunteer if they want and in return MAY qualify for federal aid for college.

So if this passes and the sheep get use to it then they will come back and say well it worked so well or not enough people are volunteering lets now make it mandatory for all youth.

Then once that works lets make it try it on another age group as well. Smaller kids, next, since that way the gov can being to brainwash them as well.

It's a slippery slope to enslavement as SE calls it. Just like they can come out and outright ban all firearms. They take your freedom a little bit at a time and all the sheep to get use to it.

THE GOVERNMENT HAS NO BIZ IN DOING VOLUNTEER WORK! That is what we have churches and other not-for-profit groups for. Last I saw it was not in our constitution for the government to take care of everyone!

 

[SavageEagle]

+1 for you Fire. However the danger is in what the "legislation" is trying to do. As it is written it's just a small program in which a young MAY volunteer if they want and in return MAY qualify for federal aid for college.

So if this passes and the sheep get use to it then they will come back and say well it worked so well or not enough people are volunteering lets now make it mandatory for all youth.

Then once that works lets make it try it on another age group as well. Smaller kids, next, since that way the gov can being to brainwash them as well.

It's a slippery slope to enslavement as SE calls it. Just like they can come out and outright ban all firearms. They take your freedom a little bit at a time and all the sheep to get use to it.

THE GOVERNMENT HAS NO BIZ IN DOING VOLUNTEER WORK! That is what we have churches and other not-for-profit groups for. Last I saw it was not in our constitution for the government to take care of everyone!

Patriot Act anyone? AWB? Exactly. Little by little. And this bill isn't complete yet. There will be additions. Mostly pork added to get votes. But it could get added after it passes or even becomes law. It's funny how that works, huh?

Make no mistake, this program will be run much the same way as a cross breed of the military and other Federal agencies. Every agency has a dark side. Just like the military has Black-Ops, or Covert Ops, or whatever they call it now. This who bill could be messy with as loosley worded as it is. And it refers to the government as the CORPORATION. Uh, WHAT?

 

[Archbishop]

I think this crosses a very serious line. I for one work full time and have a family. I volunteer and work in our church too. I never seem to have enough time. If this were applied to me it would pretty much have the effect of the goverment choosing their program over my church. (My family always, and I'd have to work to eat so what does that leave to exchange time wise?)

 

[SavageEagle]

I think this crosses a very serious line. I for one work full time and have a family. I volunteer and work in our church too. I never seem to have enough time. If this were applied to me it would pretty much have the effect of the goverment choosing their program over my church. (My family always, and I'd have to work to eat so what does that leave to exchange time wise?)

I think that's why it targets teenagers and retirees. They don't have to worry about not having time.

 

[Archbishop]

I think that's why it targets teenagers and retirees. They don't have to worry about not having time.

What happens when they decide that they still don't have enough "Volunteers"? And besides when I finally retire the last thing I want is the goverment mandating my free time.