The Vogue - Indianapolis. OK to carry?

[jontheturboguy]

You should of shot him.

His actions towards me did not warrant deadly force. Sorry.

 

[Roadie]

His actions towards me did not warrant deadly force. Sorry.

Agreed. However, you were outside on the sidewalk, correct? The meathead had no right to physically touch you in any way. I would have, at the very least, lodged a complaint with the Vogue management the next day.

 

[rhino]

I still don't understand what kind of entertainment or beverage is worth allowing someone to put their hands on you to "frisk" you as you enter. This has nothing to do with whether you carry a gun or not. There is nothing I want to see or do that would motivate me to allow someone to touch me like that.

 

[jontheturboguy]

I still don't understand what kind of entertainment or beverage is worth allowing someone to put their hands on you to "frisk" you as you enter. This has nothing to do with whether you carry a gun or not. There is nothing I want to see or do that would motivate me to allow someone to touch me like that.

Trust me. I didn't want to be touched like that. I didn't want to go in there.

I did want to continue being a good DD for the entire group that night. So, to not aggravate the Meat Pack any further, we just left and continued on making HER 21'st birthday a good one.

FWIW....

I can't stand clubs. You pay to get in. You pay to mess your self up. You pay to make regrets in the morning. You pay to even get home. You pay when you throw it all up.



I tell you what - people who come to clubs to get f'd up can just come over to my house. For $20 I'll light you on fire, punch you in the gut, and charge you to be put out.

 

[Roadie]

I still don't understand what kind of entertainment or beverage is worth allowing someone to put their hands on you to "frisk" you as you enter. This has nothing to do with whether you carry a gun or not. There is nothing I want to see or do that would motivate me to allow someone to touch me like that.

I agree to a point, when it comes to clubs and such. I am a music lover though, and I will tolerate it to see a band I REALLY like.

 

[Passive101]

****LANGUAGE WARNING*******

It was a friends 21's birthday, and low and behold she wanted to go to that area to hit all the dives.

I was DD for the crew.

We started over towards the Vogue, and seen said pinheads (read: MEATHEADS AKA HOT DOG PACKS) at the door, frisking every body.

Not wanting to start a commotion, I politely walked up to the largest meat head with LTCH in hand, and asked,

"Excuse me sir. Will there a problem with me entering with this?"

"With what? A piece of paper?"

"Read the card sir."

"What the **** is this? You think you can bring a gun in here you're ****ing stoopid."

His hand immediately went on the back of my neck, and escorted me to my knees, and walked me away from the building.

"Don't ever come about MY club again with that ****," said the MeatPack.

And so we went over to another bar, walked right in, and had a good night.

The end.

I think I'm going to just pass on the place completely. If someone takes me by the neck and takes me to the ground I'm assuming they are planning on doing something that could be quite painful or deadly. I would have reacted accordingly.

I don't need a gun to protect myself and I certainly don't want to play games with someone 2x my size with a stick up his ass.

I'm not going to risk going there with a knife or even pepper spray if that's the way they treat people. If the staff are that abusive I'm assuming that is because their guests are even worse.

Thanks for the info on this place.

 

[rhino]

Trust me. I didn't want to be touched like that. I didn't want to go in there.

Yeah, it was just a general comment.

It amazes me that people will do some of things they do when they otherwise claim to be serious about personal security. Hearing music or watching a show or a sporting event doesn't even close to making me even consider changing how I live my life.

And there is also the issue of purposely putting yourself in a huge crowd of people with severly limited routes of egress for no good reason. That's just not a good idea.

Entertainment is not worth that level of risk to me.

 

[Soundslikejosh]

John,

I am not trying to excuse what the meatheads did, but I would say that it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission. You know that since it's not a school or a govement building, there is no legal repercussion for your actions. As such, you don't need their permission. What you did was polite but that sure backfired in a hurry didn't it. Again, not trying to be rude to you, but my point is that might not have happened if you hadn't gone up and sought his approval (which you don't need anyway).

Everyone- stop asking permission to protect yourself! Why would you do so? You need to act within the law and then trust that you are doing the right thing. Asking the security guard or the mall cop or your mom if it's ok to carry in _(location)_ seems to show that you don't think you are doing the right thing. If you knew you were doing the right thing, you wouldn't need anyone's permission. Does anyone else follow me on this?? I'm not trying to punk anyone out I just simply dont understand why people insist on receiving someone else's blessing before they will carry.

 

[homeless]

Josh,

A rightious man does not need to pay attention to the law because if his actions are rightious then he will be within the law. The only time he is not is when the law woul conflict with his morals, and since no man is obligated to follow a immoral law he is still right.

I carry every where because I will not surrener control of my life or my protection to anyone. I don't ask for permission and I will never ask for forgiveness. However we still have to keep in mind private property rights of businesses that we might go into. It is your personal right to carry every where, but it is the right of a property owner to restrict anything that they want. If a store posts a sign or if the management makes it clear that they do not want you to carry there, then don't. We cannot tout the rights of some at the sake of the rights of others. If a proprietor asks you to leave because you have a gun, then do so quetly and politely. You might inform him ask he walks you out that the gun is always with you and thus you will not be able to return to his establishment.

 

[bassplayrguy]

I have been going to the bars up there for years and have never been patted down or wanded.

 

[BearArms]

Holy Thread Bump Batman

 

[Fishersjohn48]

 

[Tripp11]

Just curious, what was the thread revival poster searching for when this old thread resurfaced?

 

[jontheturboguy]

John,

I am not trying to excuse what the meatheads did, but I would say that it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission. You know that since it's not a school or a govement building, there is no legal repercussion for your actions. As such, you don't need their permission.

As I agree with what you have said, I was trying to avoid an even BIGGER problem than what had already happened.

They were patting people at the door. Top, bottom, hips, thighs, ankles.

Had that meat head ran his hand across my hip, Im sure my face or body would have been one bruise for the worse.

I figured being polite and a gentleman, I would ask first, since their policy wasn't on the door.

I expected a "No sir, Im sorry you can't have that here. We ask that you not carry here."

Not a thick arm and banana hands to the back of the neck....