SBS Vs. AOW

[glockman22]

For a while now Ive known its Illeagle in the state of Indiana to own a short barreld shotgun, but Ive seen some pics, and have heard people discuss themselves, or others, owning a legal short barreld shot gun because its classified under AOW, how is this possible, is it something else that puts it in the catogory, most of them ive seen are the ones with a pistol grip and like a 7 - 10 inch barrel. If they are legal, where can I find one.

 

[Rookie]

If the receiver has never had a stock - it can be classified as AOW. The moment you put a stock on it, it becomes an SBS. Most (if not all) class III dealers have them or can get them.

 

[Indy_Guy_77]

Most (if not all) class III dealers have them or can get them.

Speaking, of course, of AOW shotguns, not SBS.

-J-

 

[shooter521]

owning a legal short barreld shot gun because its classified under AOW, how is this possible

It's not. If a gun is classified as an AOW, then by definition it cannot be a short-barreled shotgun.

 

[VUPDblue]

Shooter and Rookie are both on the right track. Things that we typically know as "shotguns" do not meet the legal definition of "shotgun" if they do not have a buttstock. By definition, a "shotgun" is a shoulder-fired firearm. Without a stock, it cannot be shoulder-fired. Take, say an 870 receiver without a stock and a 20" barrel, and it is simply a Title I firearm. Chop that barrel down to 7" and now you have an AOW. Add a stock and it becomes a SBS. Clear as mud???!!!! LOL

 

[glockman22]

It's not. If a gun is classified as an AOW, then by definition it cannot be a short-barreled shotgun.

I know its not actually a short barreld shotgun, or atleast classified as one, I just didnt know how else to word it other than saying a shot gun with a shorter barrel than legally allowed.

Thanks all for clearing that up, I may now, and try to find one for me, anyone know how much they run, or ball park it for me.

 

[VUPDblue]

$600-$700 range depending on make and options.

 

[Clay]

correct me if Im wrong, but there is no way for one to take a standard shotgun, and legally make it into an AOW (a la serbu super shorty) is there?

 

[in812]

what about a AOW attached to a rifle say ar15 with surbu super shorty or sbr with surbu ????

 

[ramick]

Do i need a Class 3 license to buy a AOW shotgun. And if so you only need the tax stamp if you are going to keep it in your car.

 

[shooter521]

there is no way for one to take a standard shotgun, and legally make it into an AOW (a la serbu super shorty) is there?

Correct. In ATF's eyes, that would be a "weapon made from a shotgun" (i.e. an SBS), not an AOW.

what about a AOW attached to a rifle say ar15 with surbu super shorty or sbr with surbu ????

That would still be an SBS, since the shotgun portion would be using the rifle's stock.

Do i need a Class 3 license to buy a AOW shotgun. And if so you only need the tax stamp if you are going to keep it in your car.

A "Class III license" is only needed if you intend to become a dealer in NFA weapons. If you are talking about the tax stamp, that is needed in order to make or transfer the weapon, regardless of what you plan to do with said weapon once it is in your possession.

 

[mospeada]

So let me get this straight. I have a double barreled 12 gauge, I cannot cut the barrel down and the stock down as it would be a SBS. However, if a manufacturer sold me the same double-barrel with a pistol grip only, I could cut the barrels down as an AOW?

That really is astoundingly asinine (if I'm right).

 

[Indy_Guy_77]

That really is astoundingly asinine (if I'm right).

As are most all of the rules and regulations.


-J-

 

[JosephR]

As are most all of the rules and regulations.


-J-

Very true. More often than not, a rule or law has to be worded a certain way and that leaves it wide open for other "uses"

 

[jason conley]

I would love to put an aow on my ar Knight armament makes a kit to connect one to your ar bet it costs an arm and a leg

 

[JosephR]

Well you'll have to move in order to do that...

The AR will become a stock- you may have missed that detail when Shooter mentioned it. Then you'll have a SBS even after it's removed from the AR.

 

[glockman22]

AOW tax transfer stamp is only $5, isnt it? If so, I never understood that, its a "transfer" your paying for, so why arent they all the same price.

 

[VUPDblue]

AOW tax transfer stamp is only $5, isnt it? If so, I never understood that, its a "transfer" your paying for, so why arent they all the same price.

The GCA that imposed a $200 transfer on MG's and the other cool toys made the AOW tax $5 because most AOWs at the time were hunting weapons and Uncle Sam, the nice guy that he is, didn't want to impose upon subsistance hunters a $200 tax on their livelyhood. That's how I understand it anyways....

 

[Unoid]

so who in IN sells AOW shotties that only have a 5$ NFA fee!?

Would be a lovely HD gun to defend against GARY-youths seeking to pad their wallets with mein cash