NRA and Ellsworth

[wag1911]

Actually, no he does not believe in gun rights. Regardless of what NRA says, he is in no way a supporter of gun rights for individuals.

Perhaps what I should have said is that his 'rhetoric' points to being against gun control. He has less of a record to point against, whereas Coats has 20 years worth. Much like Coats though, his actions show he is a political opportunist, first and foremost.

BTW, though my avatar quote shows that I belong to several 2nd Amendment advocacy groups, do not be confused into thinking that any of those organizations are the final word in how I vote. I download the sample ballot, research the candidates regardless of party affiliation, and make my own decisions based on more than just 2nd Amendment issues. Though, to me, it is one of the most important indicators of a person's willingness to uphold the Constitution.

Using my value system, I find that neither Ellsworth, nor Coats is the best candidate for the job. Nor are they worthy of my vote. Neither has shown themselves capable of upholding the Constitution as the supreme law of the land. Why not give Sink-Burris a chance to show if she can?

If she is indeed 'unelectable', then you send a message to the Republican party. Pull your heads out of your posterior and work on behalf of stronger Constitutionalist candidates or your party's candidate may not get elected.

 

[ATM]

Nor are they worthy of my vote.

This kept me from voting for many years. None of the electable candidates were worthy.
That fact may not have changed but I have.

Awarding my vote to the most worthy may still be considered as much throwing it away as not voting to some, but it's not.

The best candidate has earned it and I will have given it in the hope that others may one day realize that the ship has only swayed back and forth with each passing election as it continued on roughly the same heading.

I don't like the direction the ship is heading.

Nobody is going to convince me that running frantically back and forth to either rail every few years will ever change that.

 

[j706]

I will never vote for Coats on anything. He is a typical sorry a-- washington idiot like his pal Luger. Both of them are are a couple of turncoat worthless pukes IMO. While I am dead set against the health care racket that Ellsworth supported, I think the 2nd amendment issues are much more important. I think he will do the right think on gun measures. You never know but we do know how Coats would probably vote. Ellsworth gets my vote this time around.

 

[rhino]

I will never vote for Coats on anything. He is a typical sorry a-- washington idiot like his pal Luger. Both of them are are a couple of turncoat worthless pukes IMO. While I am dead set against the health care racket that Ellsworth supported, I think the 2nd amendment issues are much more important. I think he will do the right think on gun measures. You never know but we do know how Coats would probably vote. Ellsworth gets my vote this time around.

If 2nd Amendment issues are the most important to you, why in the world would you support Ellsworth? The only reason his track record isn't as bad or worse as Coats' is because he hasn't had the opportunities.

If you're voting solely 2nd Amendment issues, then you can't support either of them. If that's your primary thing, you can't support either of them.

Kind of sounds likes I'm going against what I wrote before, except in this particular election race, the gun rights issue is moot in my opinion because I expect both of them to do horrible things if given the chance. There are quite a few other issues that we can expect Coats to coincidentally vote correctly solely because it's in his best political interests to do so. They're both predictable and even if this is a less-of-two-evils compromis, the magnitudes are not even close. Ellsworth will do far more damage across the board and be at least as bad on gun rights.

 

[IndyBeerman]

Pretty much agree with this.

A vote for Coats is the only chance to not have a Senate majority. Ellsworth will vote lockstep with his party

Exactly, when Obama reaches over and places his hand on Elsworth's shoulder and tells him that he needs his vote, he'll fold faster than and cheap folding chair for him.

While Coats has admitted his short coming on the 94AWB vote, he's worth more to us than Elsworth.

Now as a teaser to people....

People say John McCain is a left leaning Republican Senator, but do you know how ofter he votes along the Republican party line?

































According to what I heard on either the Greg Garrison Show or Rush, McCain votes along Republican party lines 94% of the time.

 

[GreatLakes]

This thread has had a few interesting points on all sides, however it bears pointing out that the biggest proponent of the Assault weapons ban was the Indiana Sheriff's association. Since Elsworth was a 25 year sherriff (oh wait, not possible unless he's 104!) he was just that, a porponent. I you all want your daughter's wearing burkka's - go ahead vote for a Pelosi / Barrak HUSSEIN Obamma / Harry Reid guy. If you don't, do what several of us HAVE done - Engage the GOP candidate, educate him and work to defeat socialism. Like it or not, a vote for Elseworth is a vote for socialism. A vote against Coats is one more way to keep the communist (dems) in power.

 

[SavageEagle]

I wonder what would happen if everyone that kept blabbing about "A vote for thrid party is the dumbest thing ever" actually went out and voted third party? Oh yea, that's right, everyone here already KNOWS the answer to that question. Because there's NO WAY a third party candidate could EVER win an office.

 

[photoshooter]

People say John McCain is a left leaning Republican Senator, but do you know how ofter he votes along the Republican party line?
...

According to what I heard on either the Greg Garrison Show or Rush, McCain votes along Republican party lines 94% of the time.

Amnesty for Illegals
Tarp
Bailouts
All are GOP initiatives.

Yep, that worked out pretty darn well.

 

[SavageEagle]

Amnesty for Illegals
Tarp
Bailouts
All are GOP initiatives.

Yep, that worked out pretty darn well.

They were collaborative initiatives. There is no other difference between D and R except their titles and mascots.

 

[SnowCountry]

Mr. Joe Donnelly in the 2nd Disrict also has the "endorsement" of the NRA. I called the NRA and told them that they are backing the wrong person in this race. He has sat in Pelosi and Obama's lap long enough. If they don't change this endorsement, I intend to send back my NRA membership card. That will be the last time I join that outfit.

 

[longbow]

Having had numerous phone calls with Eworthless, I can tell you he is not worth your vote.

I'll leave it at that............

 

[xring62]

NRA backs who backs 'US" . thats all that matters. Without the NRA we would have no guns a long time ago. Gun owners that bash NRA dont know what they say

 

[steve666]

Between him and Coats? Heck yes.

My choice would be Sink-Burris if she had a snowball's chance of winning, but since she doesn't it comes down to anybody but Coats!!!

 

[SavageEagle]

NRA backs who backs 'US" . thats all that matters. Without the NRA we would have no guns a long time ago. Gun owners that bash NRA dont know what they say

That's like saying Cujo used to be a good dog and even though he's trying to murder you, it's ok and you should get out and continue to pet him.

Just because the NRA USED to do good doesn't mean they haven't turned into a bunch of power hungry, greedy bastards that lost focus a LONG time ago.

My choice would be Sink-Burris if she had a snowball's chance of winning, but since she doesn't it comes down to anybody but Coats!!!

That's exactly right. Because you feel that someone who is almost perfect for the job has no chance you should sell your soul to the devil's brother just so the devil doesn't win.

Some people really amaze me.

 

[ATM]

Because you feel that someone who is almost perfect for the job has no chance you should sell your soul to the devil's brother just so the devil doesn't win.

Some people really amaze me.

I voted for the devil's brother in the last presidential election.

Never again.

 

[SavageEagle]

I voted for the devil's brother in the last presidential election.

Never again.

I don't care who thinks they don't have a chance. I will NOT compromise my values into oblivion anymore.

 

[xring62]

I know all the many things the NRA does besides fighting against anti gunners.If you just pay and get the magazine and thats all you may not see all that goes on. You cant tell me they do nothing to fight for your rights, heck its their very survival too we are talking of.Ive been to 3 conventions, worked the NRA booth at Indy 1500,been to the headquarters & involved in projects.I wouldnt any of that if I see what you 'see' Savage Eagle. Ive heard some say they hate the NRA because they stop or slow a revolution resulting from guns rounded up . You say lost focus? just how is that? Right to carry has been passed in many states & more added all the time due to the fighting they do. The Chicago & DC lawsuit was won due to them,They are in court all the time ,as in also to stop lawsuits againt gun companies.may I go on?

 

[SavageEagle]

I know all the many things the NRA does besides fighting against anti gunners.If you just pay and get the magazine and thats all you may not see all that goes on. You cant tell me they do nothing to fight for your rights, heck its their very survival too we are talking of.Ive been to 3 conventions, worked the NRA booth at Indy 1500,been to the headquarters & involved in projects.I wouldnt any of that if I see what you 'see' Savage Eagle.

...And that's great. I know all the different programs the NRA has and all the things they do in the firearms world. I did my research before I came a member and every time I renewed my membership. I've watched as they hit a downward slope ever since '04 when I first started paying dues.

Ive heard some say they hate the NRA because they stop or slow a revolution resulting from guns rounded up . You say lost focus? just how is that?

...Is it not obvious? Backing Harry Reid and Ellsworth? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? So what if they have a "decent" firearms voting history(And I use that term in jest)? They are supporting people who want to change this Country into the USSA. They are supporting people who want to destroy the very document the NRA claims to care so much about.

The NRA used to be about fighting for the RKBA first and foremost, but they also used to be about fighting for the Constitution as a whole. They don't care about that anymore.

Right to carry has been passed in many states & more added all the time due to the fighting they do. The Chicago & DC lawsuit was won due to them,They are in court all the time ,as in also to stop lawsuits againt gun companies.may I go on?

You think that's a victory???? Seriously? You think having to jump through governmental hoops and cut through red tape only to get a piece of paper saying it's OK for you to defend yourself is fighting for your rights? I'm sorry, but it's BS. I don't need anyone's PERMISSION to exercise my rights, but that's the very thing the NRA supports and fights for.

The NRA fights for gun owners but thinks that we have no business owning machine guns. Really? That shows right there they don't care about WHY we have a 2A.

Do YOU know why we have a 2A? Is it so we can carry a gun to defend ourselves as long as we don't fall into category A,B,C, or D? Is it so we can have the right to hunt? Is it so we can have the right to have shooting sports?

Sure. Those are all good reasons for having that right. But where the NRA falls short is the root reason for our 2A rights. To be on the SAME level as those who rule over us in case they become oppressive to the ends of tyranny. However, your precious NRA doesn't care about that. According to them, ordinary citizens have no business owning weapons that can achieve just that.

So tell me.... Is fighting for PERMISSION your idea of Freedom? If so, I will give you my NRA Zippo for free. Then I will pay for your one way ticket to the Socialist Country of your choice.

 

[xring62]

So tell me.... Is fighting for PERMISSION your idea of Freedom? If so, I will give you my NRA Zippo for free. Then I will pay for your one way ticket to the Socialist Country of your choice. {Savage Eagle}
You know we do have to fight for 'permission' just as blacks & women had to fight to vote even though the constitution said they could. There is lots of things in the Bill of rights that people had to KEEP fighting for . Socialist ? me ? or the NRA ? Where do you find that?

 

[xring62]

Anyway how says I would vote for coats?