Need some advice on a gun trade.

[walt o]

may i ask as to how the gun traced to you ? as i understand the filed 4473 doe's not contain the serial number. Is this correct.

 

[Bradsknives]

may i ask as to how the gun traced to you ? as i understand the filed 4473 doe's not contain the serial number. Is this correct.

1. Glock sells gun to police department or to a distributor that sells gun to the police department.
2. Police department decides to do a trade in....usually with a distributor.
3. Distributor sells gun to Cabela's
4. Cabela's sells gun to OP's wife.
5. Gun is seized in a crime
6. ATF goes to Glock and finds out who Glock sold the gun to.....and the back tracking of ownership begins.

 

[Winamac]

"Going through a FFL for a transfer will cover your ass from the viewpoint that it will be a lot easier explaining to the ATF what you did with the gun, as you can go to the FFL that did the transfer to show proof that you traded or sold it, and who you sold/traded it to."

That is the part I was referring to as to why I prefer the use of a FFL. Again...just me.

 

[croy]

may i ask as to how the gun traced to you ? as i understand the filed 4473 doe's not contain the serial number. Is this correct.

Yes they are, but when doing the check the only thing thr ATF is told is other, rifle, or handgun. The serial number make and model is on the 4473 which can be traced.

 

[bwframe]

Just my ... but this is a good example of why I always go through a FFL even for private transactions. Worth the peace of mind for me.Again, just me.

"Going through a FFL for a transfer will cover your ass from the viewpoint that it will be a lot easier explaining to the ATF what you did with the gun, as you can go to the FFL that did the transfer to show proof that you traded or sold it, and who you sold/traded it to."

That is the part I was referring to as to why I prefer the use of a FFL. Again...just me.

Wonder if this also wouldn't be an argument for doing all purchases through private sales?

 

[JAL]

Thought the same thing Tyler, but how do we explain why we don't have the pistol anymore?

You don't have to explain anything unless they show up at your door to ask you. Even then you don't have to say anything, but if you don't they can make your life miserable for quite a while as they make you a subject of investigation. Just tell them exactly what you did: a trade, and that you were shown a D/L and LTCH at the time. There's no Indiana or Federal law prohibiting what you stated you did. You need not prove anything; the burden is on the government to prove it didn't happen the way you claim. If they go past that explanation, at that point I would politely lawyer up, that the interview was over. The one thing you should NEVER, ever, ever, ever do is lie to an LEO, not ever!

BTW, I had a couple discussions with the US Army's CID in my past (another GI had been forging my signature). Always did them on "neutral" turf. That way I could just get up and leave. I didn't have to try to boot them out of my home and I didn't have to extricate myself from their offices in a restricted area where you can't go anywhere without an escort.

If it were me, I'd simply let it go and file the letter in a very safe place, doing nothing else until they call or knock on your door, which I seriously doubt will occur. The letter reads as if they're satisfying a legal requirement to allow you to make a claim to the property if you still have a legal interest in it (e.g. if it was stolen from you). As you apparently don't, move on with your life and don't worry about it.

John

 

[jbombelli]

I would be wondering about that Kahr. Some people out there will trade a stolen gun or a crime gun for one that's "clean".

 

[jsharmon7]

Where can I buy Glocks for $1???

 

[rhino]

may i ask as to how the gun traced to you ? as i understand the filed 4473 doe's not contain the serial number. Is this correct.

Form 4473 definitely has the serial number, make, model, and caliber. Always has, always will.

 

[GrinderCB]

In Kalifornia, where I lived until 2014, all PPT's are required to go thru a licensed dealer. Fees, paperwork, and waiting periods are involved. After moving to the midwest three years ago, I spoke with a lawyer at a gun show who said he strongly recommended a bill of sale when doing a PPT, even if it was a trade or zero-dollar transaction, and that it should be signed by both parties. No lawyer was required but it was a precaution in case something went awry afterward.