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Looking for guidance from AR rifle hunters (ammunition)
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This is why serious hunter's need a chronograph to see what their actual velocity is and know the bullets BC.+1 For sticking with 5.56 and using a 64 grain soft point. 75 gr BTHP may also yield decent results.
If you were going to stay within 200 yard's, just use the 7.62x39.
I really appreciate @DadSmith posting the charts. To simplify what he showed...
At 300 yards.....
- 7.62x39 drops 2 ft, drifts 1 ft, hits @ 600 ft/lbs
- 300 BLK drops 3 ft, drifts 1 ft, hits @ 700 ft/lbs
-6.5 Grendel drops 1 ft, drifts 6 in, hits @1000 ft/lbs.
If nothing else it reminds me how efficient and badass the Grendel cartridge is.
Once you have them both you can enter it into a ballistics calculator, and find out exactly what your ammunition of choice is going to do.
Then all you need to know is what your cross wind speed is dial in your scope, and the rest is upto you.
What bullet do you use?
See above. 223 Rem Silvertip by Olin/Winchester. A 64 grain Polymer tip. At least now. I have used other things, one thing I remember 10 years ago was ZombieMax lol
Did some research a while ago on using 223 for hogs. Of course it was met with lots of controversy. Of the people who were using 223, they had good success with these couple loads
www.midwayusa.com
Seems that the bullet construction in these couple rounds perform better on medium game. Allowing for more angles and shot placements.
Thinner jacketed lighter weight varmint bullets like 50 and 55 grain ballistic tip seem to be much more sensitive to what they hit like a heavy shoulder bone. Likely resulting in under penetration.
This link is an absolute treasure trove of good data.
Just an excerpt from that link.
Winchester Super-X Ammo 223 Remington 64 Grain Power-Point Case of 200
Winchester Super-X ammunition has developed a reputation as being hard hitting and reliable. This ammunition is loaded with Super-X Power-Points which...
www.midwayusa.com
Seems that the bullet construction in these couple rounds perform better on medium game. Allowing for more angles and shot placements.
Thinner jacketed lighter weight varmint bullets like 50 and 55 grain ballistic tip seem to be much more sensitive to what they hit like a heavy shoulder bone. Likely resulting in under penetration.
This link is an absolute treasure trove of good data.
Just an excerpt from that link.
Its a pig, not only the PVS-4, but the rifle is an HBAR with one of those 1 inch thick 20 inch barrels.
But we sit in a blind watching a feeder. Makes for a stable platform, for the quick follow ups on the rest of the sounder that is hauling butt away after the first shot.
Arent those too long for ARs? I dont remember where the cutoff is, but the largest projectiles typically have a OAL that is just a wee bit too long for an AR mag if I remember correctly from another discussion. (but fine for bolt .223s)
5.56 is fine for the first hog that you shoot in the ear. Trying to shoot hogs 2, 3 and 4 while they scatter, not so fine.
Grendel (or 6.8) give you a lot of versatility. Ballistics are good, energy is good. I took a pronghorn at 284 yards with a 16” Grendel, and the same arrangement will kill hogs nicely.
We butcher our own, and examining the damage difference from 5.56 rounds vs Grendel rounds is impressive. No doubt either is fine for CNS, but anything in the vitals and it’s no comparison.
Failure to recover wounded animals quickly makes you willing to spend more on ammo.
Grendel (or 6.8) give you a lot of versatility. Ballistics are good, energy is good. I took a pronghorn at 284 yards with a 16” Grendel, and the same arrangement will kill hogs nicely.
We butcher our own, and examining the damage difference from 5.56 rounds vs Grendel rounds is impressive. No doubt either is fine for CNS, but anything in the vitals and it’s no comparison.
Failure to recover wounded animals quickly makes you willing to spend more on ammo.
I'm thinking of one of my favorite bullets to hog hunt with. 75gr Speer Gold Dot.Did some research a while ago on using 223 for hogs. Of course it was met with lots of controversy. Of the people who were using 223, they had good success with these couple loads
Winchester Super-X Ammo 223 Remington 64 Grain Power-Point Case of 200
Winchester Super-X ammunition has developed a reputation as being hard hitting and reliable. This ammunition is loaded with Super-X Power-Points which...
Seems that the bullet construction in these couple rounds perform better on medium game. Allowing for more angles and shot placements.
Thinner jacketed lighter weight varmint bullets like 50 and 55 grain ballistic tip seem to be much more sensitive to what they hit like a heavy shoulder bone. Likely resulting in under penetration.
This link is an absolute treasure trove of good data.
Just an excerpt from that link.
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My nephew is getting stationed in Mississippi and I'm thinking of going down there to do some hog hunting since they are a nuisance critter..
I'm not sure what all Mississippi laws are on it. If I can't use a 5.56 I'll go with my Grendel which is a little more expensive to shoot.
My nephew said they have no bag limits on hogs, but require hunting permit for it.
Nope not at all. I run Hornady 75gr BTHP in my 5.56 AR-15's
I also like Speer 75gr TMJBT, and 75gr Speer Gold Dot.
If your talking about an 5.56 carbine (16 inch) yeah, I could see that... I use a 20 inch AR and the extra oomph is noticeable.. I can usually get 2 or 3 out of a sounder before they clear the range of my 20 inch.
There are some 77 grain projectiles that absolutely won't fit in an AR magazine, and even some bolt guns depending on the action length and the mag setup.
Yeah I am known for dragging out bog standard "standard issue" type rifles.
I used to use the M14 at night..with the PVS, The lethality is there for sure, but the follow up shots were much slower..
During the day. when we loose the dogs.. M1 Carbine all the way. That Hornady round in 110 GR FTX in 30 carbine is no joke.
No they are designed to load in AR mags. You might be thinking of the 75 AMAX. That dart is too long for mag length. And of course anything heavier than the 77 SMK is gonna be too long for mag use
1 in 8 twist handle them well. Unsure on 1in 9. Might be iffy.
Hatchet601
Plinker
I agree. I also chose Grendel as my hunting AR of choice. Ballistics are great. But right now it seems ammo is hard find, but seems 300BO is always in stock.
IMO, I wouldn't trust a standard cup and core bullet for body shots on hogs much over 125 lbs. live weight. The Trophy Bonded Bear Claw should be fine and the Partition as well for .223/5.56 velocities. Based on what I've seen from the Fusion from larger calibers, I definitely wouldn't trust it. This is what I would use if I expected to shoot bigger hogs: https://www.federalpremium.com/rifle/premium-centerfire-rifle/barnes-tsx/11-P223S.htmlDid some research a while ago on using 223 for hogs. Of course it was met with lots of controversy. Of the people who were using 223, they had good success with these couple loads
Winchester Super-X Ammo 223 Remington 64 Grain Power-Point Case of 200
Winchester Super-X ammunition has developed a reputation as being hard hitting and reliable. This ammunition is loaded with Super-X Power-Points which...
Seems that the bullet construction in these couple rounds perform better on medium game. Allowing for more angles and shot placements.
Thinner jacketed lighter weight varmint bullets like 50 and 55 grain ballistic tip seem to be much more sensitive to what they hit like a heavy shoulder bone. Likely resulting in under penetration.
This link is an absolute treasure trove of good data.
Just an excerpt from that link.
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