Jeremy`s thoughts on hosting a Run and Gun Event.

[jeremy]

I was going to host this event this coming March, but am forced to push it back to at best the fall of 2013. Let me know the thoughts of the collective...
Let me know thoughts and improvements.

It will cover over 2 miles of navigation.
It will be run in 4 man Teams, each team will be drawn randomly from the attendees on the day of the event.
Each group will have an OC/Evaluator that will accompany them across the course.
There will be 2 Shooting Events along the Course.
There will also be 6 Skills Stations along the route.
The OC/Evaluator may add tasks between stations, or initiate stressors between the skill stations at their discretion based on the skill levels demonstrated by the team they are traveling with.


Teams will be given a MGRS (Military Grid Reference System) Topographic Map to utilize to navigate the course. Team members will also be given a sealed Wound Card so when in the event of a teammate becoming wounded during the course of play, the team will have an event to treat.

Tasks and Battle Drills that may need utilized during the course:
Tasks and Battle Drill Numbers should correspond with US Army Task Numbers and upon a Google Search will provide definitions.

The task list may grow as needed...

First Aid
081-831-1001 Evaluate a Casualty (Tactical Combat Casualty Care)
081-831-1003 Perform First Aid to Clear an Object Stuck in the Throat of a Conscious Casualty
081-831-1005 Perform First Aid to Prevent or Control Shock
081-831-1008 Perform First Aid for Heat Injuries
081-831-1023 Perform First Aid to Restore Breathing and/or Pulse
081-831-1025 Perform First Aid for an Open Abdominal Wound
081-831-1026 Perform First Aid for an Open Chest Wound
081-831-1032 Perform First Aid for Bleeding of an Extremity
081-831-1033 Perform First Aid for an Open Head Wound
081-831-1034 Perform First Aid for a Suspected Fracture
081-831-1045 Perform First Aid for Cold Injuries
081-831-1046 Transport a Casualty
081-831-1053 Practice Individual Preventive Medicine Countermeasures

Survive (Combat Techniques)
061-283-1001 Determine Direction within the Target Area
071-326-0501 Move as a Member of a Fire Team
071-326-0502 Move Under Direct Fire
071-326-0503 Move Over, Through, or Around Obstacles (Except Minefields)
071-326-0510 React to Indirect Fire While Dismounted
071-326-0512 Estimate Range
071-326-0513 Select Temporary Fighting Positions
071-331-0001 Perform as a Member of a Patrol
071-600-0001 Destroy Supplies and Equipment
091-376-5148 Search an Individual
093-401-5040 React to Unexploded Ordnance Hazards

Navigate
071-329-1000 Identify Topographic Symbols on a Military Map
071-329-1001 Identify Terrain Features on a Map
071-329-1002 Determine the Grid Coordinates of a Point on a Military Map
071-329-1003 Determine a Magnetic Azimuth Using a Lensatic Compass
071-329-1004 Determine the Elevation of a Point on the Ground Using a Map
071-329-1005 Determine a Location on the Ground by Terrain Association
071-329-1006 Navigate from One Point on the Ground to Another Point While Dismounted
071-329-1008 Measure Distance on a Map
071-329-1009 Convert Azimuths
071-329-1011 Orient a Map Using a Lensatic Compass
071-329-1012 Orient a Map to the Ground by Map-Terrain Association
071-329-1014 Locate an Unknown Point on a Map and on the Ground by Intersection
071-329-1015 Locate an Unknown Point on a Map and on the Ground by Resection
071-329-1018 Determine Direction without a Compass
071-329-1030 Navigate from One Point on the Ground to another Point While Mounted
071-510-0001 Determine Azimuths Using a Protractor
071-510-0002 Compute Back Azimuths

Weapons
(Listed as it is a popular choice with the group, but one is expected to be able to do the following tasks with the firearms of their choice)
071-004-0002 Perform a Function Check on an M9 Pistol
071-004-0005 Correct Malfunctions of an M9 Pistol
071-100-0003 Engage Targets with an M4 or M4A1 Carbine
071-100-0004 Maintain an M4 or M4A1 Carbine
071-100-0005 Perform a Function Check on an M4 or M4A1 Carbine
071-100-0006 Load an M4 or M4A1 Carbine
071-100-0007 Unload an M4 or M4A1 Carbine
071-100-0008 Correct Malfunctions of an M4 or M4A1 Carbine

Defense Measures
052-191-1361 Camouflage Yourself and Your Individual Equipment
071-326-0608 Use Visual Signaling Techniques
071-331-0001 Perform as a Member of a Patrol
071-331-0801 Challenge Persons Entering Your Area
071-331-0815 Practice Noise, Light, and Litter Discipline
301-348-1050 Report Information of Potential Intelligence Value
301-371-1000 Report Intelligence Information

Battle Drills
07-3-D9505 Break Contact
07-3-D9508 Establish Security at the Halt
07-3-D9507 Evacuate a Casualty (Dismounted )
07-3-D9503 React to Ambush (Far)
07-3-D9502 React to Ambush (Near)
07-3-D9501 React to Contact (Visual, IED, Direct Fire )
07-3-D9504 React to Indirect Fire

 

[lovemachine]

Price? Any training prerequisites? Will there be driving in the snow?

 

[Jarhead77]

Anyone go to boot at Paris Island? Sound like E Beach to you? Brings back memories!!

 

[jeremy]

Price?

Whatever your expenses for your Food, Water, Ammo, Weapons, and Gear are...

Any training prerequisites?

None, however, it would behoove one to learn the tasks in the list. I would focus on learning First Aid...

Will there be driving in the snow?

Nope...
You should be good to go...

 

[Blackhawk2001]

I was going to host this event this coming March, but am forced to push it back to at best the fall of 2013. Let me know the thoughts of the collective...
Let me know thoughts and improvements.

It will cover over 2 miles of navigation.
It will be run in 4 man Teams, each team will be drawn randomly from the attendees on the day of the event.
Each group will have an OC/Evaluator that will accompany them across the course.
There will be 2 Shooting Events along the Course.
There will also be 6 Skills Stations along the route.
The OC/Evaluator may add tasks between stations, or initiate stressors between the skill stations at their discretion based on the skill levels demonstrated by the team they are traveling with.


Teams will be given a MGRS (Military Grid Reference System) Topographic Map to utilize to navigate the course. Team members will also be given a sealed Wound Card so when in the event of a teammate becoming wounded during the course of play, the team will have an event to treat.

Tasks and Battle Drills that may need utilized during the course:
Tasks and Battle Drill Numbers should correspond with US Army Task Numbers and upon a Google Search will provide definitions.

The task list may grow as needed...

First Aid
081-831-1001 Evaluate a Casualty (Tactical Combat Casualty Care)
081-831-1003 Perform First Aid to Clear an Object Stuck in the Throat of a Conscious Casualty
081-831-1005 Perform First Aid to Prevent or Control Shock
081-831-1008 Perform First Aid for Heat Injuries
081-831-1023 Perform First Aid to Restore Breathing and/or Pulse
081-831-1025 Perform First Aid for an Open Abdominal Wound
081-831-1026 Perform First Aid for an Open Chest Wound
081-831-1032 Perform First Aid for Bleeding of an Extremity
081-831-1033 Perform First Aid for an Open Head Wound
081-831-1034 Perform First Aid for a Suspected Fracture
081-831-1045 Perform First Aid for Cold Injuries
081-831-1046 Transport a Casualty
081-831-1053 Practice Individual Preventive Medicine Countermeasures

Survive (Combat Techniques)
061-283-1001 Determine Direction within the Target Area
071-326-0501 Move as a Member of a Fire Team
071-326-0502 Move Under Direct Fire
071-326-0503 Move Over, Through, or Around Obstacles (Except Minefields)
071-326-0510 React to Indirect Fire While Dismounted
071-326-0512 Estimate Range
071-326-0513 Select Temporary Fighting Positions
071-331-0001 Perform as a Member of a Patrol
071-600-0001 Destroy Supplies and Equipment
091-376-5148 Search an Individual
093-401-5040 React to Unexploded Ordnance Hazards

Navigate
071-329-1000 Identify Topographic Symbols on a Military Map
071-329-1001 Identify Terrain Features on a Map
071-329-1002 Determine the Grid Coordinates of a Point on a Military Map
071-329-1003 Determine a Magnetic Azimuth Using a Lensatic Compass
071-329-1004 Determine the Elevation of a Point on the Ground Using a Map
071-329-1005 Determine a Location on the Ground by Terrain Association
071-329-1006 Navigate from One Point on the Ground to Another Point While Dismounted
071-329-1008 Measure Distance on a Map
071-329-1009 Convert Azimuths
071-329-1011 Orient a Map Using a Lensatic Compass
071-329-1012 Orient a Map to the Ground by Map-Terrain Association
071-329-1014 Locate an Unknown Point on a Map and on the Ground by Intersection
071-329-1015 Locate an Unknown Point on a Map and on the Ground by Resection
071-329-1018 Determine Direction without a Compass
071-329-1030 Navigate from One Point on the Ground to another Point While Mounted
071-510-0001 Determine Azimuths Using a Protractor
071-510-0002 Compute Back Azimuths

Weapons
(Listed as it is a popular choice with the group, but one is expected to be able to do the following tasks with the firearms of their choice)
071-004-0002 Perform a Function Check on an M9 Pistol
071-004-0005 Correct Malfunctions of an M9 Pistol
071-100-0003 Engage Targets with an M4 or M4A1 Carbine
071-100-0004 Maintain an M4 or M4A1 Carbine
071-100-0005 Perform a Function Check on an M4 or M4A1 Carbine
071-100-0006 Load an M4 or M4A1 Carbine
071-100-0007 Unload an M4 or M4A1 Carbine
071-100-0008 Correct Malfunctions of an M4 or M4A1 Carbine

Defense Measures
052-191-1361 Camouflage Yourself and Your Individual Equipment
071-326-0608 Use Visual Signaling Techniques
071-331-0001 Perform as a Member of a Patrol
071-331-0801 Challenge Persons Entering Your Area
071-331-0815 Practice Noise, Light, and Litter Discipline
301-348-1050 Report Information of Potential Intelligence Value
301-371-1000 Report Intelligence Information

Battle Drills
07-3-D9505 Break Contact
07-3-D9508 Establish Security at the Halt
07-3-D9507 Evacuate a Casualty (Dismounted )
07-3-D9503 React to Ambush (Far)
07-3-D9502 React to Ambush (Near)
07-3-D9501 React to Contact (Visual, IED, Direct Fire )
07-3-D9504 React to Indirect Fire

Sounds a good bit like the pre-deployment checklist for Iraq.

A VERY challenging operation you're contemplating, Jeremy.

 

[jeremy]

Sounds a good bit like the pre-deployment checklist for Iraq.

A VERY challenging operation you're contemplating, Jeremy.

We'll see how the first one goes...

I really thought of making it similar to a 1 day EIB, but, I thought it would be a little to sever for the beginner to enjoy. Plus I think by keeping it under 2 miles the team times should be around the 4 hour mark...

I think the hardest part right now is finding the bodies to be OC's...

 

[jeremy]

Anyone go to boot at Paris Island? Sound like E Beach to you? Brings back memories!!

Never been in the Corps...
Been around them, though a couple of times...

 

[jblomenberg16]

Sounds interesting and challenging, and a good way to push oneself outside of normal static scenarios. It also offers the opportunity to learn important skills that may be critical in a real situation.


My feedback as one that has not had formal training in a number of those areas, is that there may need to be some "classification" of participants. This could go a couple of ways.

1) If being run as a true competition, it may be benefitial to have at least two sub classes...those that have profficiency in those skills (such as individuals with military training) and those that have lower or beginner levels of these skills, such as folks like myself that have only had limited civilian training.

That way there is a chance for those who are very competitive to compete with and against others of similar skill level, and also a chance for beginners to compete in a class of those similar to them.


2) On the other hand, and what I personally would think would be very valuable, is to use this as a teaching opportunity, pairing experienced individuals with those with less experience. This may also have a safety benefit as well, as those experienced can address safety issues immediately. The downside would be that those who are very experienced and profficient may be held back bit by those who are not.



All in all I think it is a great idea, and will eagerly look forward to more details!

 

[jeremy]

Sounds interesting and challenging, and a good way to push oneself outside of normal static scenarios. It also offers the opportunity to learn important skills that may be critical in a real situation.


My feedback as one that has not had formal training in a number of those areas, is that there may need to be some "classification" of participants. This could go a couple of ways.

1) If being run as a true competition, it may be benefitial to have at least two sub classes...those that have profficiency in those skills (such as individuals with military training) and those that have lower or beginner levels of these skills, such as folks like myself that have only had limited civilian training.

That way there is a chance for those who are very competitive to compete with and against others of similar skill level, and also a chance for beginners to compete in a class of those similar to them.


2) On the other hand, and what I personally would think would be very valuable, is to use this as a teaching opportunity, pairing experienced individuals with those with less experience. This may also have a safety benefit as well, as those experienced can address safety issues immediately. The downside would be that those who are very experienced and profficient may be held back bit by those who are not.



All in all I think it is a great idea, and will eagerly look forward to more details!

I am looking at this to be less of a competition, and more of a training and eye opening experience for those with less experience. Possibly, even provide a glimpse for some into what we as Soldiers, Marines do a little bit. It is not all about how well one shoots sometimes, if this rolls well I would like to eventually split it into to at least 2 different groups though,I like that idea...

Thanks!

 

[Deadly Z Driver]

Man you had to really postpone it didn't you!

 

[jeremy]

Man you had to really postpone it didn't you!

Our Uncle is giving me a trip to a beach for about 6 months...

 

[Deadly Z Driver]

Our Uncle is giving me a trip to a beach for about 6 months...

Nice! We could o some beach training!!!

 

[cedartop]

EIB is what I first thought of when I read it jeremy. Other than ex-mil, I doubt you will find many here with a lot of those skills. Maybe I am underestimating the group though.

 

[jblomenberg16]

EIB is what I first thought of when I read it jeremy. Other than ex-mil, I doubt you will find many here with a lot of those skills. Maybe I am underestimating the group though.

I'm sure there are a lot on here who "think" they have those skills, but you are probably right...the majority of us don't. But, we have to learn somewhere, and I'm guessing many of here on INGO aren't going to enlist in the armed forces.

 

[jeremy]

EIB is what I first thought of when I read it jeremy. Other than ex-mil, I doubt you will find many here with a lot of those skills. Maybe I am underestimating the group though.

I will admit is kinda EIB inspired, I also think there will be quite a few who may not have all the skills. One of the reasons I do not want this to be a competition initially, but more of a training, or wake up to see what one does not know...

 

[the1kidd03]

Looking forward to it....

 

[GIJEW]

I'm sure there are a lot on here who "think" they have those skills, but you are probably right...the majority of us don't. But, we have to learn somewhere, and I'm guessing many of here on INGO aren't going to enlist in the armed forces.

Even for ex-mil. SOPs also change over time, and this would be a fantastic way to compare notes and upgrade skills--especially since they are perishable.

Maybe the "watchmen" will join us?

 

[the1kidd03]

Maybe the "watchmen" will join us?

 

[Kedric]

This should be interesting.
Hopefully you get to fully enjoy your beach... ah, vacation. *eg*

 

[jeremy]

Bumping this back up the pile to see if I can gain more insights...