Jackasses like this have no clue....
An I the only one who is being completely embarassed by this administration and the distractions they have?
Waterboarding? supposed to be a tourture but sounds just like a water sport.
Not that I'm against water-boarding, but if it is an effective method to gain valuable information to possibly prevent crimes or find out information about an existing crime...why doesn't the US use this tactic on criminals who refuse to comply with the courts to tell the truth?
Why not use it on the Natalie Holloway case? Why not use it to find out who the thug bought his drugs from?
If it's not torture, then our system should implement it to make us safer, no?
Now think about the power of our current government...and you have been detained because you have that Gadsden flag flying...
I believe it is only effective in very specific instances, and I trust the CIA to know this better than me.
And another thing, I would be against waterboarding any US CITIZEN by our government and any soldier fighting for their COUNTRY
Hmmmm funny thing WE ACTUALLY USE WATERBOARDING IN OUR SERE TRAINING IN OUR TROOPS!!!!!!!!
However (as an example), if someone knows when and where there is a dirty bomb is to get deployed and there is more than circumstantial proof that this person has this info, then by all means, waterboard them, beat them, do what ever it takes to save lives. And I mean WHATEVER it takes.
Cheney still uses the constitution as a door mat, he used the words foolish and reckless? Wow, he sure was calling the kettle black.
How does he still use the "constitution as a door mat"?
I don't think waterboarding is horribly effective on some levels, as many would admit/confess anything even if they had no clue. I believe it is only effective in very specific instances, and I trust the CIA to know this better than me.
And another thing, I would be against waterboarding any US CITIZEN by our government and any soldier fighting for their COUNTRY, as that is Geneva conventions right?
But if you're trying to say it can't be that bad to waterboard terrorists for information, then I'm with you. I would just hate to see it done against Americans here for the normal run of the mill criminial proceedings.
However (as an example), if someone knows when and where there is a dirty bomb is to get deployed and there is more than circumstantial proof that this person has this info, then by all means, water-board them, beat them, do what ever it takes to save lives. And I mean WHATEVER it takes.
First you say it isn't horribly effective and shouldn't be done to ANY US citizen, then you make exceptions later for specific reasons and want to totally violate their rights as a US citizen...have I got that right?
Now think about the power of our current government...and you have been detained because you have that Gadsden flag flying...
I guess you are right. I think it has to be done on a case by case business and by telling the CIA they can not use certain tatics, etc. we limit their effectivness.
However, I would think waterboarding a murder suspect would be extreme, but waterboarding or anything else to someone who has knowledge of an act that is going to take several people is probably within reason. I just think a lot of people would confess to crimes they didn't commit just to end what ever they were subjected, however if you have someone who you know knows something like the example above, and you need that info, you have to have options.
I guess to me its not a black and white issue. And I know I'm not sounding very clear when I don't say I think it would be very effective in solving common crimes, but should be allowed to extract needed information from people who we know have such info.
My original post was to get you to realize that the government can claim anything they want as reasons to do whatever they want to people, whether they are citizens or not.
Think about how the recent labeling of right wingers, gun lovers, constitution followers, anti-abortionist, Gadsden flag flying Americans had somehow become part of the terrorist watch list...They have reason to believe these people are planning to overthrow the government...do you allow waterboarding??? It would be to protect the USA from terrorists, right?
its a razor sharp double edged sword isn't it my friend....