Breaking News: Senate officially ratifies START!

[Bobby]

Here is the link: Obama Wins Senate Approval of START Nuclear Arms Pact With Russia - FoxNews.com

My fear is that this was rushed through so quickly there are hidden gun bans or confiscation shemes tucked away in the language of START. Remember, whoever wrote this treaty had to have done so at the blessing of President Obama. It wouldn't surprise me at all if 2nd Amendment supporters will have new rules affecting them.

 

[Disposable Heart]

How so? All it calls for is Russia and US to only have the capability to blow ourselves up 10 times over instead of 15...

On a side note: Working on the new START treaty shaved one whole minute off the Doomsday Clock! That's actual progress if you think about it...

 

[ghostinthewood]

How so? All it calls for is Russia and US to only have the capability to blow ourselves up 10 times over instead of 15...

 

[Bobby]

How so? All it calls for is Russia and US to only have the capability to blow ourselves up 10 times over instead of 15...

On a side note: Working on the new START treaty shaved one whole minute off the Doomsday Clock! That's actual progress if you think about it...

I wish I had your optimism!

Remember Obamacare?

 

[Disposable Heart]

I wish I had your optimism!

Remember Obamacare?

Nuclear weapons aren't shoulder fired weapons like ours. I still fail to see any mention of riders on the news sources I am scouring....

There is a difference twixt optimism and stupidity, as there is a difference between pessimism and paranoia.

 

[boljr01]

How so? All it calls for is Russia and US to only have the capability to blow ourselves up 10 times over instead of 15...

On a side note: Working on the new START treaty shaved one whole minute off the Doomsday Clock! That's actual progress if you think about it...

Actually this helps them a ton as it only addresses strategic (long range) nukes of which their stockpile was aging badly. To bring it up to our standards would have cost them a small fortune...we just gave them a hell of a Christmas present.

Additionally, START does nothing to contain or limit tactical nukes of which they have roughly 10 times our cache.

And, as if that wasnt' bad enough, the language in the preamble appears to take away our ability to contruct any missle defense shields.

Seems like we sent a high school debate team over to negotiate this one

 

[Bigum1969]

Actually this helps them a ton as it only addresses strategic (long range) nukes of which their stockpile was aging badly. To bring it up to our standards would have cost them a small fortune...we just gave them a hell of a Christmas present.

Additionally, START does nothing to contain or limit tactical nukes of which they have roughly 10 times our cache.

And, as if that wasnt' bad enough, the language in the preamble appears to take away our ability to contruct any missle defense shields.

Seems like we sent a high school debate team over to negotiate this one

We bent over for this treaty. The preamble is the worse part... we need to construct a missile defense shield. Why would we negotiate on this?

Why do this treat at all? What's the point?

 

[nawainwright]

Hey, if you can't rush something through without reading it because harry reid says "if you don't vote for START you want terrorists to have nuclear weapons" I don't wanna be right. I mean everything is better when you don't think or read, its amazing how many questions and problems disappear. How is that "Republicans are gonna save us" mentality working for you now?

 

[Tactical Dave]

How so? All it calls for is Russia and US to only have the capability to blow ourselves up 10 times over instead of 15...

And just means we and Russia will get rid of the ones that are really old that we all wanted to get rid of and probably would have been duds any way haha.

 

[MrSmitty]

Hussein's giving away more and more to other countries, but grabbing hold,of Banks, cars, health ins, the internet, soon guns

 

[Disposable Heart]

And just means we and Russia will get rid of the ones that are really old that we all wanted to get rid of and probably would have been duds any way haha.

LOL "Is too many kilometers on this one, Scrap it" (Russian Accent)

If anything, this signals a restart in our talking with Russia again. They aren't officially allies, but realistically, neither is China. It's an improvement.

Anyone who screams and yells about degradation of our military strength: Honestly? Nukes are a horrible device and the entire world knows it. Call it overly optimistic, but I think the only ones interested in nukes are remanants of Cold War thinking or third world tyrants (not to mention terrorists). We can still flatten the world 10 times over and people are STILL crying about that reduction? Why? Not satisfied with condemning one's children to nuclear fire less than a few times?

 

[Expat]

Why have the Democrats always been against us trying to build a defensive shield? (rhetorical) Do they had this country or something?(rhetorical) Besides Russia, we have to worry about that nut Chavez, the nuts in NKoria, the non-nutty but dangerous Chinese (who probably shot a missile up from the west coast, surfaced a sub in the middle of a carrier group).

 

[longbow]

Thanks Dick!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Tactical Dave]

LOL "Is too many kilometers on this one, Scrap it" (Russian Accent)

If anything, this signals a restart in our talking with Russia again. They aren't officially allies, but realistically, neither is China. It's an improvement.

Anyone who screams and yells about degradation of our military strength: Honestly? Nukes are a horrible device and the entire world knows it. Call it overly optimistic, but I think the only ones interested in nukes are remanants of Cold War thinking or third world tyrants (not to mention terrorists). We can still flatten the world 10 times over and people are STILL crying about that reduction? Why? Not satisfied with condemning one's children to nuclear fire less than a few times?

Yep, the world hates them and thats why terrorists want them... I don't think it is the countries that have a lot of them that people worry about.... it's the people that have a few of them... or one or two....

 

[boljr01]

Hussein's giving away more and more to other countries, but grabbing hold,of Banks, cars, health ins, the internet, soon guns

past tense...he's already doing it. He recently, and quietly, blocked the re-importation of 1 million + M1's from South Korea. The sale of the M1's to collectors and high power competitors helps us and helps S. Korea raise badly needed funds. Come O'bummer supporters, start up the BS engine and try to explain to us all why this is a good thing.

 

[nawainwright]

past tense...he's already doing it. He recently, and quietly, blocked the re-importation of 1 million + M1's from South Korea. The sale of the M1's to collectors and high power competitors helps us and helps S. Korea raise badly needed funds. Come O'bummer supporters, start up the BS engine and try to explain to us all why this is a good thing.

Well, you know that M1's are used often in gang crime and robberies. Everyone knows that.

 

[scully]

Thanks Dick!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Someday.......

 

[SnoopLoggyDog]

We bent over for this treaty. The preamble is the worse part... we need to construct a missile defense shield. Why would we negotiate on this?

Why do this treat at all? What's the point?

I totally agree. Not being able to defend against a rouge missile launch from Iran or North Korea is a huge gap in ours and our allies defense. It was shortsighted to limit this capability.

The lack of accountability on tactical nukes is another shortfall in this treaty. I would not be surprised if one of these weapons fell into the hands of our enemies.

 

[nawainwright]

Guess who's waiting till next year in order to read and ratify the START treaty? THE RUSSIANS! Man, shocking, they want to know what they're signing first....there are 3 required readings before they sign it. They have said preliminarily that they will sign it, but that it doesn't need to be done right now. Who here is surprised? Color me purple.

Russia Puts Off Final OK of START Treaty to January - FoxNews.com

 

[garlic_b]

Here's a novel idea. We can all take a few minutes over our morning coffee and donuts to actually read the whole 17 pages. That way we can speak knowledgeably about a proposed topic without sounding completely unreasonable. Just a thought anyway.

There is no mention of any limitations whatsoever in the preamble.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/140035.pdf