Licensing confusion

[Michigan Slim]

Hunted on a property in stueben county for a few years. I bought tags because I also hunted state land. Five others got their tags from the landowner free of charge. He just filled out a piece of paper and off they went to the check station. The neighbors did the same.
Yes, it's abused.

 

[ghuns]

Licenses are like $150. If it were me I wouldn't chance an encounter with your friendly local DNR rep.

Let's be honest, unless this property borders a state park, he's more likely to have a chance encounter with Bigfoot than the DNR.

 

[1nderbeard]

Let's be honest, unless this property borders a state park, he's more likely to have a chance encounter with Bigfoot than the DNR.

A friend of mine was hunting his grandfather's land without a license, thinking he'd fit under that rule. It took a few years but eventually the DNR looked at his checked in deer and took his mounts because he was an unlicensed hunter. Not sure if he paid fines or not.

 

[Michigan Slim]

Let's be honest, unless this property borders a state park, he's more likely to have a chance encounter with Bigfoot than the DNR.

True that. Unless a neighbor calls. I think the OP would be okay though.

 

[ghuns]

A friend of mine was hunting his grandfather's land without a license, thinking he'd fit under that rule. It took a few years but eventually the DNR looked at his checked in deer and took his mounts because he was an unlicensed hunter. Not sure if he paid fines or not.

Yeah, that's not a 'chance' encounter. That's low hanging fruit. DNR can do that without leaving their office.

I'm 50. I have hunted in 5 different northern Indiana counties starting at the age of 10(always with proper licenses). I have NEVER seen a CO in the woods. Ever.

I did once see a green F150 that said DNR on the side drive past my house, but I can't say for sure who was driving. Probably Bigfoot.

Hell, when I call them to come run off some trespassers hunting coyotes without permission, they tell me to call the county cops.

I am 100% convinced that I am more likely to see Bigfoot, a cougar, and a water moccasin, in the same day, than I am to bump into a CO in my woods.

 

[AndreusMaximus]

I read that completely different than you two, based on the rules listed above, specifically who can hunt in the land it does seem ripe for abuse. Almost no one here would say you need the government’s permission to hunt your own land including two70, whom I have discussed other topics with.

Well, my apologies if I read it wrong, but I'm not sure what he really meant, then? In what way was the land owner exemption a mistake?

 

[1nderbeard]

Yeah, that's not a 'chance' encounter. That's low hanging fruit. DNR can do that without leaving their office.

I'm 50. I have hunted in 5 different northern Indiana counties starting at the age of 10(always with proper licenses). I have NEVER seen a CO in the woods. Ever.

I did once see a green F150 that said DNR on the side drive past my house, but I can't say for sure who was driving. Probably Bigfoot.

Hell, when I call them to come run off some trespassers hunting coyotes without permission, they tell me to call the county cops.

I am 100% convinced that I am more likely to see Bigfoot, a cougar, and a water moccasin, in the same day, than I am to bump into a CO in my woods.

Right. The OP would be easy fruit. Checking in deer without a license.

 

[model1994]

tangent - i am exempt, but buy all applicable licenses every year. you should too if you care about the conservation of wildlife outside your property bounds. funds for such management is principally collected thru excise tax via sale of licenses, among other things.

 

[model1994]

The money isn't the issue, it's the fact I'm not paying the state for their permission to hunt the land I live on (and already pay a fortune to do so).

it’s not paying for permission, man. I recommend reading up on wildlife restoration act funds (formerly Pittman-Robertson & Dingell-Johnson) and how they’re allocated. I think the IN Hunting Guide does a fair simplification and explanation - it may not be in this year’s, but was in previous years.

 

[Bugzilla]

It is "my" land, just not according to property records.

It’s also “my” land, just not according to property records.

 

[Ryzari]

It’s also “my” land, just not according to property records.

Oh, are you paying part of the mortgage, or taxes? Nope? Then no, it's not "your" land at all, regardless of the records.

 

[Ryzari]

Let's be honest, unless this property borders a state park, he's more likely to have a chance encounter with Bigfoot than the DNR.

No state park, but even though I'm in the middle of nowhere, I do have a DNR officer living the next road over, and my "neighbor" runs a deer processing station. I better keep an eye out for Bigfoot.

 

[AndreusMaximus]

Oh, are you paying part of the mortgage, or taxes? Nope? Then no, it's not "your" land at all, regardless of the records.

The property records, AKA, the title, are what makes it your land in the eyes of the law.

Anyone can pay part or all of the mortgage on someone else's land.

Anyone can pay part or all of the taxes on someone else's land.

But if you haven't bought the land, or had it gifted to you, doing those things does not make it your land.

I am not aware of any law, custom, or belief to the contrary. If one exists, please enlighten me.

 

[manifest destiny]

Pay to get on the land title and become exempt.
Pay to get the license and be legal.
Poach.

 

[Michigan Slim]

Pay to get on the land title and become exempt.
Pay to get the license and be legal.
Poach.

Pretty straight up.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

tangent - i am exempt, but buy all applicable licenses every year. you should too if you care about the conservation of wildlife outside your property bounds. funds for such management is principally collected thru excise tax via sale of licenses, among other things.

Tangent off your tangent... this is exactly the argument I would use when I used to debate hunting issues back in high school (arguing against anti-hunters). I would argue that if they really cared about conserving wildlife that they should buy a hunting/fishing license, buy some ammo, etc., since those proceeds and taxes go to conserving not just game animals, but all wildlife.

 

[snapping turtle]

OR, you can also pay her $1/year to lease the land and farm on it, since the law does say "... resident lessees of Indiana farmland who farm that land..."

draw up the lease paperwork off the internet. (Legal ease or the like).
Then do a ten year agreement for ten dollars and sign put a ten spot on cash inside and registered MAIL the letter to the house address. Do not open the registered mail and have it required to be signature to receive.

this gives you a lease agreement payment and dates plus the ability to prove delivery signature and payment in a secured sealed letter.

thank me now or later with some jerky.

 

[greg]

draw up the lease paperwork off the internet. (Legal ease or the like).
Then do a ten year agreement for ten dollars and sign put a ten spot on cash inside and registered MAIL the letter to the house address. Do not open the registered mail and have it required to be signature to receive.

this gives you a lease agreement payment and dates plus the ability to prove delivery signature and payment in a secured sealed letter.

thank me now or later with some jerky.

Just leasing the property doesn’t give you a license exemption….

 

[snapping turtle]

Just leasing the property doesn’t give you a license exemption….

He said he farmed the land.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Or learn to butcher your own. Instead of SSS it’s SBS.