Why does everyone love the Remington 870 so much?

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  • flightsimmer

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    If a person wants to run a pistol grip stock the safety on the 870 makes more sense
    Yeah, that's the only advantage that I see.

    The position of the controls is much better on the Mossberg. I do not like the cross bolt safety's on any long gun.

    I've heard the rattle complaint on Mossberg's before but I've never noticed it on mine, could be because I'm deaf. LOL.
    But I seem to remember an anti-rattle kit for them. I'll have to look that up.
     
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    flightsimmer

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    No, it's not a kit. Mossberg it seems has added a couple of springs to the forearm to take away the rattle.

    I did discover a simple fix for it.
    It involves two, one centimeter squares of the felt side of velcro.
    You disassemble the shotgun and place the felt side of velcro inside of the fore arm, there's a video on YouTube showing how to do it.
     
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    Thread revival! Have an 870P and Mossberg 590 in the house. Not sure where that leaves me? Probably with two completely functional pump shotguns.
     

    Hookeye

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    Mossbergs rattle. They also have a thicker wrist. I find that horrible for wingshooting.

    Mossberg recoil pads used to be pretty worthless.

    Reflexive shooting, gimme a Remington. Aimed shooting, like on turkey or deer, doesnt matter.

    But for feel and less rattle, ill take an 870 for that stuff too.

    Just got a Sportsman 12 Pump Magnum to build into a turkey gun for next yr. Taking my Supermag Express out in a few hrs.

    Its done very well for dove w the 23" bbl.

    Have owned several M500 and 870.
    WM, SP, SF and Ex the smoothest of the dozen plus Rem pumps.....an Express. Second best was a 20 ga Special Field

    Im fine w an Express. Have had 3 supermags and two reg. I did check them for rib alignment and choke tube concentricity before purchase, as Ive seen some junk, well before Cerberus got em.

    FWIW i rather dislike the Mossberg vent ribs. They dont look good to me, looking down or from the side.
     

    drillsgt

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    I've checked out a few of the new Remington (RemArms) 870 Fieldmaster's and they are pretty nice. Better finish than the old Express's and nice checkered walnut wood, go for around 479.00.
     

    MrSmitty

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    I've had both, currently I own a 500, I like it, but if an 870 came up, that I could afford, I would buy it. The 870 has a smoother action, less rattle, and just seems better made, that being said, the 500 is , in my opinion, second only to the 870.....
     

    Hookeye

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    Current pre bankruptcy Express models...........people think theyre made outta gold.
    Ridiculous.

    This Sportsman (pre Express) was priced normal. Its not mint though LOL.
    Need to coat the receiver and D&T.
     

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    My brother is a lefty and doesn't bird hunt, so he's content to run a M500.

    A little sloppy but not as bad as M500.........a Browning BPS.
    Upland Special 20 ga.............had one, shoulda kept it.
    I shoot left and grew up on a 870WM. Never bothered me, learned to keep my trigger finger curled around the trigger guard to the safety. Doesn't take much longer to press and then put it on the trigger than pushing with your thumb then moving your trigger finger.
     

    Bill2905

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    My brother is a lefty and doesn't bird hunt, so he's content to run a M500.

    A little sloppy but not as bad as M500.........a Browning BPS.
    Upland Special 20 ga.............had one, shoulda kept it.
    I had a Browning BPS Upland Special 12 ga in the 90's...I shoulda kept that one too. That 20 ga would have been real sweet.
     

    Leo

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    Are there alot of people who think the mossberg 500 has a sloppy slide? I never felt much difference between the base 870 express and the base mossbergs 500's Ive shot. Ive never shot a wingmaster.
    I bought a 500 used about 45 years ago. It was kind of worn and beat up, but it was cheap. People would shake it and laugh at the rattle. They said it was broken. That old rattly 500 has been on hundreds of bird & rabbit hunts, been loaned out dozens of times. It has fallen from a boat into swamp water at least a couple times. It was my beginning trap gun. It was also the beginning trap gun for maybe 10 friends who were just learning the game. It still sounds like it is broken when you shake it, but it has never failed to fire. If I was invited to a hunt tomorrow, I would not hesitate to take it. I hear the original 870's were about the same. The higher grade 870s from the 70's were pretty nice. I really liked the 870 TC trap models. They are pretty few and fair between, or pricey.
     

    Hookeye

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    I grew up w the impression Remington was a lesser brand, since Kmart sold em ( with dimpled RKW finish LOL ).

    My first shotgun was an Ithaca 51 20.ga that had been pimped by Simmons.
    Cold weather rabbit hunting and the shell latch snagging my glove/ thumb too many times..... traded it after rabbit season for a mint Wingmaster 12.

    Remingtons fit me VERY well and that is pretty much all that matters. ive shot a few Browning OUs and messed w other autos and pumps. Yeah Id like nicer stuff, but the cheap Big Green rigs have made me look like I kinda sorta can shoot ( doves and geese ).


    So thats what I use.

    Silly but i like the pump .22 rifles offered by same. Pops had a 121 that i zinged a few squirrels with. Have had a few 572 but none w high comb stock.....and that mandatory IMHO for scope usage.

    In fact i have a decent shape 572 receiver laying around, pre 68.....dunno if Im gonna build it or what. Prices on parts is silly.

    And yeah, my fave deer rifle is a beater 760 in .35 rem. Pumps just feel better to me than lever guns.

    I can tolerate a little bit of rattle LOL
     

    Hookeye

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    BTW, since I got an old Sportsman 12 Pump to build into a turkey gun for next yr.....
    Anybody run the Magpul SGA stock?
    Hows the Magpul pad? I did see where they offer an adapter for Rem type pads.
     

    Mongo59

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    I would challenge anyone who loves the 870 to seek out it's predecessor the 31 and just handle it. You can hold it barrel up and unlock the bolt and I have never met one that didn't slide fully open. It was so smooth they called it a "glass action" and being milled meant there was no rattle or shake.

    The only reason they switched to the 870 in 1950 was monetary, it was cheaper made and cheaper to produce, PERIOD.

    Remington had some good spin doctors back then and talked it up like it was getting rid of critical design flaws like 'it now has two charging rods...' (which they did because they were stamped and not milled) when only a silver back gorilla could fold up the single milled rod.

    I don't want to tarnish any childhood memories out there but the reason 'my father bought me one as a child' is because it was the cheapest thing on the market, pure and simple. If you doubt me on this then consider this, up until then when a new improved model came out they would continue to produce the old model for a few years as the phased out the old and in the new. Not so with the 31 and 870. Remington did not know how it would go so they stopped the 31 in 1949 and in with the only choice, the 870 in 1950. Think about that...
     

    thunderchicken

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    I would challenge anyone who loves the 870 to seek out it's predecessor the 31 and just handle it. You can hold it barrel up and unlock the bolt and I have never met one that didn't slide fully open. It was so smooth they called it a "glass action" and being milled meant there was no rattle or shake.

    The only reason they switched to the 870 in 1950 was monetary, it was cheaper made and cheaper to produce, PERIOD.

    Remington had some good spin doctors back then and talked it up like it was getting rid of critical design flaws like 'it now has two charging rods...' (which they did because they were stamped and not milled) when only a silver back gorilla could fold up the single milled rod.

    I don't want to tarnish any childhood memories out there but the reason 'my father bought me one as a child' is because it was the cheapest thing on the market, pure and simple. If you doubt me on this then consider this, up until then when a new improved model came out they would continue to produce the old model for a few years as the phased out the old and in the new. Not so with the 31 and 870. Remington did not know how it would go so they stopped the 31 in 1949 and in with the only choice, the 870 in 1950. Think about that...
    The Remington M31 was discontinued for the same reason the Winchester M12 was, money. The M31 probably would have rivaled the M12 in sales if it hadn't been for the depression and the M31 was a bit more expensive. As far as quality and overall finish, I think both the Remington M31 and Winchester M12 were/are superior to the 870.
    The 870 has the all time sales record but only because for some time the competition just wasn't as as good. The Mossberg 500 is plenty reliable, but they are known for that rattle and their wood stocks are just cheap with the pressed checkering. The 870 is just a tad more refined than the Mossy 500.

    I think the Ithaca M37 was close behind the Remington and Winchester in terms of quality. Those guns were milled and pretty much hand fitted which was normal before the 870 came along with cheaper stamped parts.
    I'd love to have a Remington m31 to go along with the Remington m10, Winchester m12 and BPS I grew up with because I love old shotguns. But, I'm sure partly to sentimental reasons, I prefer the BPS. But dang I love them all
     

    two70

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    I'll take my 1300 over a 500 or a 870. That said I would take a 12/25, 31 or older 37 in that order over the modern stuff
    That is pretty much the order for me too, 120/1200/1300 way ahead of a 500 and a 500 way ahead of an 870. The older models belong in a separate discussion, as most were on a different level of manufacturing. People always frame the question as 500 vs. 870 but both were far behind the Winchesters in quality, the 1200 and 1300 especially but even the budget 120. The Winchesters didn't rattle, were smoother, and didn't have the safety in a stupid location.
     

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