Crew member killed when shot by prop gun on set of Baldwin movie

[singlestacksig]

Next question;

Is this the end of Alec Baldwin?

Assuming that Baldwin can find a way to get by the fact that he ended someone's life, will he have the ability to act again?

Will Hollywood work with Baldwin again, knowing his past behavior and possibly culminating with this negligent tragedy?

it is probably the end of his production company.. unless they have massive insurance coverage...

 

[Leadeye]

I wonder what they do with movies like this which are partially filmed, but cancelled? Maybe there's something like a film "junkyard" where you can buy parts of films to use in others.

 

[BigRed]

I wish Alec and Dick would go quail hunting together, and take Liz with them.

obiden would round out that hunting trip very nicely.

 

[drillsgt]

I wonder what they do with movies like this which are partially filmed, but cancelled? Maybe there's something like a film "junkyard" where you can buy parts of films to use in others.

Has it been cancelled?

 

[bwframe]

I wonder what they do with movies like this which are partially filmed, but cancelled? Maybe there's something like a film "junkyard" where you can buy parts of films to use in others.

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[ChazL]

Next question;

Is this the end of Alec Baldwin?

Assuming that Baldwin can find a way to get by the fact that he ended someone's life, will he have the ability to act again?

Will Hollywood work with Baldwin again, knowing his past behavior and possibly culminating with this negligent tragedy?

More likely he will double down on his anti-gun rhetoric, “see, nobody can be trusted with a gun!” And be the leftist’s darling again.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Westerns... I'd say a Top-5 movie of all time is Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. That movie came out in 1969 (long before CGI), how many scenes in that movie DID NOT have guns? A train car was blown up and in the final act they shot it out with the Bolivian Military.

I bet every rule was followed on that production.

 

[Ziggidy]

I apologize if this was already posted.

 

[Mgderf]

No idea if it's true, but heard a radio personality today say that the movie being filmed, "Rust", centered around an accidental killing.

 

[Leadeye]

Has it been cancelled?

Hard to believe that they would continue production, but then I don't know anything about how those decisions are made.

 

[Butch627]

Next question;

Is this the end of Alec Baldwin?

Assuming that Baldwin can find a way to get by the fact that he ended someone's life, will he have the ability to act again?

Will Hollywood work with Baldwin again, knowing his past behavior and possibly culminating with this negligent tragedy?

With his past history of explosive and anti woman behavior I think he is done. My guess is that he was acting like a bully and ******* on that set and that will come out. He also did not insist in looking at the empty chamber before accepting the gun. He also accepted the gun from someone not authorized to touch it. Afterwards he was screaming about being given a hot weapon when maybe he should have been more concerned about other things. His tweets seemed like they were trying to absolve him of blame. I think he will be sacrificed.
How about the girl, young, inexperienced, pretty to some probably with a Bernie bumper sticker. Her best defense is to blame all the white males who allowed her to make all these mistakes. If only she was transgender and a racial minority she would come out of this a superstar.
AD an experienced white male with no valid excuse for what he did, they will be screaming for murder 1 and reinstating the death penalty

 

[actaeon277]

Great explanation, thanks. But Baldwin did not have a "prop gun". He had a gun.

I don't know why the news keeps calling it a "prop gun"

Because they're idiots.
Or, at the very least, they have NO knowledge of guns.

 

[actaeon277]

To be fair I'm sure Alec Baldwin ASSUMED the gun was a "prop gun" and he might have called that gun a "prop gun" when talking to the police.

If they had a real gun next to two prop guns on a cart it's a terrible thing.
They should have ZERO real guns (and real ammo) on a movie set.

It's the reason why you get searched when you do force-on-force scenarios using siminution guns.
You can't mix real guns and training guns, real ammo and simunition (paint rounds) ammo.

Baldwin and the crew a ASSUMED it was a prop gun.

And as we know ... "assumption is the mother of all **** ups".

They don't have fake guns made for every gun out there.
So, a film set in the past, is less likely to have a "copy" out there.

 

[Butch627]

I wonder what they do with movies like this which are partially filmed, but cancelled? Maybe there's something like a film "junkyard" where you can buy parts of films to use in others.

Its called being "put in the can" from the old film days. There are probably warehouses full of finished and half finished projects languishing there forever.

It was announced that production will not be resumed and I believe it

 

[actaeon277]

I would think that there is not a need to "machine out" new guns for every movie that is made. I would think that these are reusable items that could be kept with the rest of the generic supplies (wigs, fake swords, etc.) used in other movies.

That probably works fine, with more modern weapons.
But there aren't many cowboy movies anymore. And then there are still a lot of types out there in that period that would need to be made.
And, there has to be enough.

 

[actaeon277]

Let's not insult each other guys.

Yes, we all know that this accident could have never happened if everybody followed the 4 golden rules of gun safety.

However it would be a pretty lame western movie if actors were not allowed to point guns at each other and pull the trigger.

The four rules apply to firearms, they don't apply to prop guns on a movie set.

Now if they used a real gun that's obviously where they screwed up.

They don't actually punch each other in fight scenes.
They use training, and camera angles.

Why can't the same be done with aiming a gun? They can't film the angle differently?

 

[deo62]

obiden would round out that hunting trip very nicely.

Please add Hillary

 

[actaeon277]

The very good reason would be to make the scene safe, to prevent another accidental shooting.

That's the first thing you have to do when EMS or cops show up.

You need to make the scene safe in order to treat the two wounded people.

You worry about evidence preservation and the police investigation later.

Just like if a victim is ran over by a car and stuck underneath the vehicle, you turn the engine off before you try to render aid.
You don't keep the engine running because it's now a piece of evidence.

As long as the armorer later gave everything to the police (gun, spent casing, the rest of the ammo loaded in the gun etc) I don't see anything wrong with that she did (besides properly doing her job in the first place of course).

I think if you were on the set when it happened, surrounded by a bunch of untrained folks, you would want that gun unloaded ASAP.
And you probably would want to be in control of it before another idiot picks it up and shoots you in the back while you try to render aid to the wounded.

I disagree.
The gun should have been put down.
And someone should have "guarded" it.
The gun is NOT just going to go off by itself, while laying there.
To do otherwise is "disturbing" the scene.

 

[actaeon277]

And then there is the topic of top hired gun hands. The Movie industry, security details, employers seeking instructors, and noobs seeking firearms training seem to love long impressive resume’ lists of accomplishments in the hiring process. As a person who has hired and fired many employees in my career, I find that the longer the list only makes it easier to wipe your butt with. I prefer an observation of someone’s gun handling skills which tells me in a few minutes more than 5 pages of one bragging about himself. Buyer beware.

In an argument, they call that "appeal to authority".
Someone's argument is judged by his "authority" on the subject. Not the argument itself.
In this case, people do the same thing. Well, he has a hundred previous jobs, so he must be good. Nevermind maybe everyone hated him, and he sucked.

 

[actaeon277]

Alpo's theory works as well, a disgruntled person could have loaded the live ammo. When given the choice between stupid and malicious behavior, I'll lean towards stupid. Maybe that's just how I see people in general.

Another theory, Baldwin didn't like her, put the bullet in the gun himself, killed her, then "acted" heartbroken. Knowing it would be blamed on the armorer because of the previous discharges.