Indiana Members Credit Union now "no guns allowed"

[Cameramonkey]

I understand the desire to protect their employees. I am against this way of doing it.
They could put ballistic "glass" up, with devices installed to allow the transfer of money through the "glass".
They could arm the tellers.
They could try other options.
But, I am against an option that disarms ME. I still have to get into the bank from a car. Now the robbers will just rob people before they get into the bank.

I agree. but to the non carrying public, this is less intrusive. Many are so clueless they havent even noticed the remodel that added the new doors. They simply obliviously walk on through and do their business.

you either alienate ALL of your customers by making them feel less safe and the service less personal due to the glass between them and the teller, or you just **** a handful of us off.

I dont like either, but I understand the reasoning.

 

[actaeon277]

I agree. but to the non carrying public, this is less intrusive. Many are so clueless they havent even noticed the remodel that added the new doors. They simply obliviously walk on through and do their business.

you either alienate ALL of your customers by making them feel less safe and the service less personal due to the glass between them and the teller, or you just **** a handful of us off.

I dont like either, but I understand the reasoning.

The reason, is because they're corporate monkeys, that are not interested in ANYONE'S safety.

 

[MemphisR32]

Just a thought but if they are metal detectors how are they not set off all the time by coins business were to bring in or take away from the bank?

 

[Titanium_Frost]

They are set off ALL the time, the tellers just buzz you in.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Just a thought but if they are metal detectors how are they not set off all the time by coins business were to bring in or take away from the bank?

They are just adjusted up so small quantities like a watch, belt, etc dont set them off. They arent dialed in to the same sensitivity that the ones used by the govt are.

 

[Bill of Rights]

I understand the desire to protect their employees. I am against this way of doing it.
They could put ballistic "glass" up, with devices installed to allow the transfer of money through the "glass".
They could arm the tellers.
They could try other options.
But, I am against an option that disarms ME. I still have to get into the bank from a car. Now the robbers will just rob people before they get into the bank.

Or on their way out. You're disarmed there, too, obviously.

The reason, is because they're corporate monkeys, that are not interested in ANYONE'S safety.

Honestly, I think they are interested in everyone's safety. Don't attribute to malice or stupidity what is likely based in ignorance. The difference between the latter two is education: "you can't fix stupid."

I think what's going on is that as cameramonkey said, they know whatever they do is going to alienate and anger some people, and some of those will take their money elsewhere. They'd rather do it with a set of doors (which, however expensive, is less so than glassing in all of their tellers; lexan in that thickness is insanely expensive) than with a glass wall that people have to talk through. Too, if they keep the guns out (in theory, anyway), they keep the perps from grabbing another customer and using them as leverage to force the tellers (who are at no risk themselves, behind the glass) to give them what they want. I'd like to think most of it comes from simply misreading what would provide the best protection to everyone, but more likely, it comes down to what is the least costly, but still effective way to do the job they want to do. Always follow the money.

When a few customers are robbed outside, either on the way in or out, I think they'll either start protecting us or they'll lose customers from people saying that going to the bank is unsafe. I also agree with the whole "don't look like a crackhead, but always have a few ounces of non-scary, ferrous metal in your pockets when you go." Steel toed boots work. Leatherman on the belt. Wrenches/hammers on the toolbelt, metal business card case... Lots of ways to do this. When they get used to seeing you, they'll start buzzing you through. Alternatively, pull your money out with an explanation why when the doors go up. Ideally, let them know that will happen and you'll persuade others to do likewise, before the doors get installed.

For someone who is actually detained inside the box... as in, can't enter the building or exit to car, because the doors locked, I would be on my phone, identifying "criminal confinement" to 911. A person must be free from unreasonable search and seizure and secure in his person, papers, and effects, by Constitutional law. That, I'm aware, is binding only upon government, but detaining someone because he happens to have a chunk of metal on his person has to be unlawful as well, especially if you've no authority to detain him at all.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[rhino]

I would make an unpleasant scene if such a scenario results in me being trapped between doors that way.

 

[Tanfodude]

So....not all banks are doing this yet right? But how come I see that this is the direction the banks are going.

 

[Cameramonkey]

I would make an unpleasant scene if such a scenario results in me being trapped between doors that way.

Pretty sure you have the option of going back outside if the inside door locks after detection. Once again, I think its a fire code thing. While man traps sound pretty damned cool, they just cant fly in todays litigious society.

 

[scoutsniper]

My wife's a teller(different bank) The metal detectors are a joke and they just buzz everyone in. I carry every time I go in. The main thing is the exit door since the first door needs to be closed before the second one opened they can lock you in between them And you won't get it lol

 

[Roadie]

Pretty sure you have the option of going back outside if the inside door locks after detection. Once again, I think its a fire code thing. While man traps sound pretty damned cool, they just cant fly in todays litigious society.

We have had a Member post here awhile back about being trapped in the entry. Not sure whatever came of it..

 

[Cameramonkey]

We have had a Member post here awhile back about being trapped in the entry. Not sure whatever came of it..

I think I missed that one. I recall where one tried to enter the Mars Hill PNC and was denied, (he blamed his steel toes as I recall and they buzzed him in) but I dont recall anyone trapped? I actually tested that branch shortly afterward and was surprised how far I got with eye contact and a smile.

 

[HKUSP]

This is certainly irritating. I just began switching my financial dealings over to them. Now I have some hard thinking to do. I wouldn't put up with this B.S. in Ohio, and I won't put up with it here.

How long is it going to be before a criminal figures out that a "sack of coins" is going to hide a Hi-Point well enough to get into the bank? Every security measure generally ends up being two things: A gross PITA for honest people, and easily defeated by dishonest ones.

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

 

[Cameramonkey]

This is certainly irritating. I just began switching my financial dealings over to them. Now I have some hard thinking to do. I wouldn't put up with this B.S. in Ohio, and I won't put up with it here.

How long is it going to be before a criminal figures out that a "sack of coins" is going to hide a Hi-Point well enough to get into the bank? Every security measure generally ends up being two things: A gross PITA for honest people, and easily defeated by dishonest ones.

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Relax. I carry into these branches regularly. It literally adds less than 5 seconds to my visit as I smile and wait for them to decide my concealed weapon and I are not a threat. They feel safer, I dont get butthurt, they apologize for the delay, and I go about my day after doing business with them. Its all good.

 

[HKUSP]

Relax. I carry into these branches regularly. It literally adds less than 5 seconds to my visit as I smile and wait for them to decide my concealed weapon and I are not a threat. They feel safer, I dont get butthurt, they apologize for the delay, and I go about my day after doing business with them. Its all good.

I'm very, very used to taking this sort of thing personally. You can be arrested in Ohio for carrying into a posted business. I made a decision that I would never patronize a posted business because by spending my money there, I was subsidizing their ignorant hoplophobia. I see a "no guns" sign the exact same as one telling me to go to Hell.

I understand here sneaking a gun into a no guns area that's not statutorily punishable is pretty much a game that's played with idiots, but old habits die hard.

 

[stephen87]

I'm very, very used to taking this sort of thing personally. You can be arrested in Ohio for carrying into a posted business. I made a decision that I would never patronize a posted business because by spending my money there, I was subsidizing their ignorant hoplophobia. I see a "no guns" sign the exact same as one telling me to go to Hell.

I understand here sneaking a gun into a no guns area that's not statutorily punishable is pretty much a game that's played with idiots, but old habits die hard.

Not sure how to take this one.

As for me, I went to ONE PNC Bank, it was Washington and High School Rd in Indy. They had the doors and I swore that one off. I carry into every bank I go to, Chase and PNC, never have an issue. The one time I have an issue is the time that I pull all my accounts from that institution.

 

[Cameramonkey]

I'm very, very used to taking this sort of thing personally. You can be arrested in Ohio for carrying into a posted business. I made a decision that I would never patronize a posted business because by spending my money there, I was subsidizing their ignorant hoplophobia. I see a "no guns" sign the exact same as one telling me to go to Hell.

I understand here sneaking a gun into a no guns area that's not statutorily punishable is pretty much a game that's played with idiots, but old habits die hard.

So you are calling me an idiot? Classy.

And we are not in Ohio, so its apples and oranges. I carry where it is LEGAL. When I travel to OH I am aware of how their laws work so when in Rome...

If it is a private property rule I decide on a case by case basis whether I ignore the sign or take my business elsewhere. And I have even OC'd once into a PNC with these automatic doors and had no problems.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Not sure how to take this one.

As for me, I went to ONE PNC Bank, it was Washington and High School Rd in Indy. They had the doors and I swore that one off. I carry into every bank I go to, Chase and PNC, never have an issue. The one time I have an issue is the time that I pull all my accounts from that institution.

Mars Hill location has them too FYI.

 

[stephen87]

Mars Hill location has them too FYI.

I'll mark that one off of my list, but I would pass about 2 PNCs to get to that one. lol

 

[Bill of Rights]

I'm very, very used to taking this sort of thing personally. You can be arrested in Ohio for carrying into a posted business. I made a decision that I would never patronize a posted business because by spending my money there, I was subsidizing their ignorant hoplophobia. I see a "no guns" sign the exact same as one telling me to go to Hell.

I understand here sneaking a gun into a no guns area that's not statutorily punishable is pretty much a game that's played with idiots, but old habits die hard.

I sincerely hope that that last line refers to the "idiots" that post the signs marking a "no (legal) guns" area. See, because if it doesn't, that would be you insulting another INGO member, and that would mean I or one of the other mods would have to remind you of the rule you agreed to less than 4 months ago, not to do that.

Not sure how to take this one.

As for me, I went to ONE PNC Bank, it was Washington and High School Rd in Indy. They had the doors and I swore that one off. I carry into every bank I go to, Chase and PNC, never have an issue. The one time I have an issue is the time that I pull all my accounts from that institution.

So you are calling me an idiot? Classy.

And we are not in Ohio, so its apples and oranges. I carry where it is LEGAL. When I travel to OH I am aware of how their laws work so when in Rome...

If it is a private property rule I decide on a case by case basis whether I ignore the sign or take my business elsewhere. And I have even OC'd once into a PNC with these automatic doors and had no problems.

Cameramonkey, I see how you took that, and stephen87 wasn't sure, either. I'm leaning toward the view I reacted with, that he wasn't insulting you, but referring to others as "idiots". You're the one he sees as "playing the game". I said that's how I'm leaning, but I'm not leaning very hard, and I could be easily convinced I was mistaken.

HKUSP, the ball's in your court.

Blessings,
Bill