What happened to Indiana only recognizing states that recognize Indiana's LTCH? I notice that an Ohio resident with a permit can carry here now, but not vice versa
I thought they were excluding states that didn't reciprocate. I remember there was a to do with Kentucky because they weren't recognizing ours and that changed. Just noticed on a reciprocity map that Indiana was recognizing Ohio's.
I've only been in Indiana for about 10 years but I don't remember that ever being the case. Regardless, the statute I quoted was enacted in 1983, according to the note at the bottom, so I'm not sure what to tell you.
I've had a LTCH since '83, Kentucky used to NOT recognize it, but wanted Indiana to recognize theirs. There was a stink made about it and Kentucky changed their statutes to start recognizing state's LTCH (keeping in mind that Kentucky is not a state )
Some statutes, as we all know, change language and if you don't have the older version you don't see the previous language. Still irks me about Ohio, I have family there but I HATE traveling to that state.
The fact that Indiana backed off of its reciprocity fight. It WAS an issue in the 80's and they got some states (and commonwealths) to turn around on their not recognizing Indiana's permits.
The fact that Ohio gets to enjoy their freedom here but denies us our freedom there.
At least Illinois is cut and dried, no one no how no way.
The whole thing reminded me again I can't carry there, but the jackbooted OSP can carry here
I think you may have the laws of KY and IN backwards. KY honors out of state permits if the issuing state honors KYs.
Kentucky State Police: Concealed Deadly Weapons
http://www.lrc.state.ky.us/KRS/237-00/110.PDF
Oh and any LEO can carry in any state. Even IL, WI, CA, NY and in DC. They are covered under LEOSA.
...its actually aimed at residents of Ohio that get permits being able to carry here and yet we have to do the separate and lock dance when we travel there.
Side note on this discussion. I always wonder why it seems that LEOs do not seem to understand that bringing out a dog to sniff around your car is already a search.The fact that Indiana backed off of its reciprocity fight. It WAS an issue in the 80's and they got some states (and commonwealths) to turn around on their not recognizing Indiana's permits.
The fact that Ohio gets to enjoy their freedom here but denies us our freedom there.
At least Illinois is cut and dried, no one no how no way.
The fact that I got pulled over for +3 in a 65 and then got hassled because I wouldn't grant them permission to search without just cause. I was legal, separate and locked, but I was pissed. One hour traffic stop while they brought out a drug dog who found nothing but somewhere to ****. No citation, no verbal or written warning, pulled for an out of state plate. Also no apology. If there was reciprocity, I would have made his day by handing him my permit and letting him wig out more. The whole thing reminded me again I can't carry there, but the jackbooted OSP can carry here
Side note on this discussion. I always wonder why it seems that LEOs do not seem to understand that bringing out a dog to sniff around your car is already a search.
The dog is searching for the smell of illegal substances and is breaking the 4th amendment. Meaning you do not have justifiable reasons to search because there is no evidence nor probable cause to search. So you use a dog to do what a human cannot do. The dog doesn't give you probable cause.
It is already a search at the point the car is detained and then an instrument (in this case canine) is walked around the car trying to find anything that will then allow them to get around the need for a warrant.
That bothers me as well "Get around a warrant."
A warrantless search is a warrantless search. The US needs to once again become a nation of laws based upon the Constitution for everybody.
Can I ask where you got that information? Best that I can find from the OH statutes that is very incorrect. What you posted applies for someone with a license/permit that OH recognizes. If you have a permit that they recognize you can carry it on your person or in a glove box/console or in a case.However, you can not open carry in a car without an OH CCW permit, which non-residents can't get. OH does allow you to put your firearm into your glove box or console without unloading it. Basically, if I were driving to OH for something I can put my sidearm in the console under my armrest until I stop and get out, then I can put it back on my hip OC.
Ohio is the one being restrictive, they won't accept our LTCH because a mandatory course isn't involved with ours. Last time I checked the 2nd says nothing about having to have a firearm safety course in order to keep and bear arms.
We shouldn't have to spend extra money, extra time, and bow to other states demands, especially if they are granted privileges here. Remember, they are not residents here, so it is a privilege for them to carry here.
I got my info here: http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/ohio.pdf and here: OpenCarry.org - State Information For Ohio
From the handgunlaw.us pdf:
"The transportation of loaded, concealed handguns in motor vehicles is permitted, but strict obligations are imposed by the law to protect you and law enforcement. These obligations apply to drivers and occupants. These obligations do not apply if you are storing a firearm for any lawful purpose and it is not on your person or you are lawfully storing or possessing a firearm in your home. You may not have a loaded handgun in the vehicle if you are under the influence of drugs or alcohol. If you have a concealed carry permit, you may not transport a loaded, concealed handgun in a vehicle unless it is carried in one of the following ways: The loaded handgun is in a holster secured • on the person. Ohio law previously required carrying firearms in a holster in plain sight. The “plain sight” provision has been removed from the law.
· The loaded handgun is in a closed case, bag, box, or other container that is in plain sight and that has a lid, a cover, or a closing mechanism with a zipper, snap, or buckle, which lid, cover or closing mechanism must be opened for a person to gain access to the handgun, or
· The loaded handgun is securely encased by being stored in a closed, glove compartment or console,
· or in a case that is locked."
Emphasis mine. Somehow OH has made the carry of a handgun in a vehicle so bass-ackwards that it confuses everyone. You may not OC a handgun in a vehicle unless you have their CCP, then you can OC, CC, or put it away. But you can have a loaded handgun in your console or glovebox for the lawful purpose of waiting until you stop and can put it back on your person to OC.
And from opencarryIt is illegal to carry a loaded firearm in any vehicle without a valid Permit/License.
And from the OH state statutesUnfortunately, despite passage of HB-12, a permit to conceal is still required to openly carry a handgun in a vehicle.
(C) No person shall knowingly transport or have a firearm in a motor vehicle, unless the person may lawfully possess that firearm under applicable law of this state or the United States, the firearm is unloaded, and the firearm is carried in one of the following ways:
(1) In a closed package, box, or case;
(2) In a compartment that can be reached only by leaving the vehicle;
(3) In plain sight and secured in a rack or holder made for the purpose;
(4) If the firearm is at least twenty-four inches in overall length as measured from the muzzle to the part of the stock furthest from the muzzle and if the barrel is at least eighteen inches in length, either in plain sight with the action open or the weapon stripped, or, if the firearm is of a type on which the action will not stay open or which cannot easily be stripped, in plain sight.