Will you take the Covid Vaccine?

[Hop]

Up-thread somewhere someone said yes to Moderna & no to Pfizer. They are both mRNA. My guess is it's a no to Pfizer because they LIED about not being part of "Trump's project Warp Speed".

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Ok, I went and looked at the study for the Pfizer vaccine:

Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA Covid-19 Vaccine

And I gleaned the following from the published study:

A total of 43,548 participants underwent randomization, of whom 43,448 received injections: 21,720 with BNT162b2 and 21,728 with placebo. There were 8 cases of Covid-19 with onset at least 7 days after the second dose among participants assigned to receive BNT162b2 and 162 cases among those assigned to placebo; BNT162b2 was 95% effective in preventing Covid-19 (95% credible interval, 90.3 to 97.6).

Confirmed Covid-19 was defined according to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) criteria as the presence of at least one of the following symptoms: fever, new or increased cough, new or increased shortness of breath, chills, new or increased muscle pain, new loss of taste or smell, sore throat, diarrhea, or vomiting, combined with a respiratory specimen obtained during the symptomatic period or within 4 days before or after it that was positive for SARS-CoV-2 by nucleic acid amplification–based testing, either at the central laboratory or at a local testing facility (using a protocol-defined acceptable test).

The control group had 162 confirmed cases. The vaccine group had 8 cases. That is a 95.1% reduction in confirmed cases. Their confirmed case definition is symptomatic with a positive test result.

This appears to me to be a legit 95.1% (CI 90.3-97.6) effective in reducing symptomatic cases. No asterisks needed.

Still searching for where the 29% asymptomatic came from... the implication is that they reported results differently in an earlier report and/or they had some information to determine if a single dose was effective "enough". It wasn't... two doses plus seven days required to be 90%+ effective.

 

[smokingman]

They have thrown so many numbers around. If you are to believe the University College London 80%+ of covid positive never develop covid symptoms.

Over 80% of people with coronavirus didn't have key symptoms, UK study finds

So-called "silent spreaders" of the coronavirus could be more common than previously thought, with a U.K. study finding more than two thirds of people testing positive for the virus were asymptomatic.

www.cnbc.com

As far as the 29% the figure used was from the CDC study of healthcare workers.

CDC: Nearly 30% of health workers with COVID-19 didn't know they had it - UPI.com

Up to 6% of the staff caring for COVID-19 at 13 hospitals across the country tested positive for the virus, but nearly 30% of them were asymptomatic and could have spread it, according to a CDC report.

www.upi.com

 

[NKBJ]

Just another health professional murdered by a vaccine.
Just an acceptable loss in the big game.
Just not important.

CDC investigating death of Miami doctor who died after getting vaccine

Dr Gregory Michael, 56, an obstetrician with a private practice at Mount Sinai Medical Center in Miami Beach, died from a brain hemorrhage last Sunday - 16 days after he was vaccinated.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Just shut up and take the jab.

 

[JettaKnight]

Just another health professional murdered by a vaccine.
Just an acceptable loss in the big game.
Just not important.

CDC investigating death of Miami doctor who died after getting vaccine

Dr Gregory Michael, 56, an obstetrician with a private practice at Mount Sinai Medical Center in Miami Beach, died from a brain hemorrhage last Sunday - 16 days after he was vaccinated.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Just shut up and take the jab.

Coincidences happen.
Bad things happen to good people.


Stop looking for nefarious dealing in all things.

 

[avboiler11]

Even if that death is directly or indirectly attributed to the Pfizer COVID vaccine...that'd make it what, one death in 10M+?

 

[NKBJ]

Coincidences happen.
Bad things happen to good people.


Stop looking for nefarious dealing in all things.

LOL

 

[JettaKnight]

Even if that death is directly or indirectly attributed to the Pfizer COVID vaccine...that'd make it what, one death in 10M+?

Some people see conspiracies and connections everywhere.

 

[navarre1095]

 

[smokingman]

Coincidences happen.
Bad things happen to good people.


Stop looking for nefarious dealing in all things.

Those whacky people need to stop dying.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/23-dead-norway-coronavirus-vaccine
Health officials in Norway say that 23 people died within days of receiving their first dose of Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine.

Thirteen of the 23 deaths, all nursing home patients, were a direct result of side effects from the shot, officials say

Norway has vaccinated just over 30k total people.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Thirteen of the 23 deaths, all nursing home patients, were a direct result of side effects from the shot, officials say

Norway has vaccinated just over 30k total people.

Actually that's not what officials say. They said "The reports suggest that common adverse reactions to mRNA vaccines, such as fever and nausea, may have contributed to a fatal outcome in some frail patients, says Sigurd Hortemo, chief physician at the Norwegian Medicines Agency."

And "In Norway we are now vaccinating the elderly and people in nursing homes with serious underlying diseases, therefore it is expected that deaths close to the time vaccination may occur. In Norway, an average of 400 people die each week in nursing homes and long-term care facilities.

All deaths that occur within the first few days of vaccination are carefully assessed. We cannot rule out that adverse reactions to the vaccine occurring within the first days following vaccination (such as fever and nausea) may contribute to more serious course and fatal outcome in patients with severe underlying disease."

 

[melensdad]

YES, I'm 60 years old and I am immunosuppressed and taking immunosuppressive medications so I'm at risk of getting complications from covid. I don't blame anyone younger if they don't take the vaccine. I don't blame anyone healthy who doesn't take it. But for me, my situation is such that I plan to take it as soon as I can qualify.

I do have a friend, early 50's, in good health with a vegetarian/organic diet and physically fit, who got Covid in March of 2020. He tested negative a few weeks later. He still has not recovered. He will end up selling his dental practice because he can't work 2 days in a row. He has extreme fatigue. So while he tests Covid negative he has not recovered from Covid.

 

[d.kaufman]

California warns against using a batch of Moderna COVID-19 vaccines after allergic reactions

California's top epidemiologist told healthcare providers on Sunday to stop using a batch of Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine after a "higher than usual" number of people had apparent allergic reactions at a San Diego vaccination clinic.

www.latimes.com

 

[GregD]

This is for the people that have gotten the vaccine.
About how long did it take from the time you got there till you left?

 

[Crittersdad]

I will not willingly take it.

 

[shibumiseeker]

This is for the people that have gotten the vaccine.
About how long did it take from the time you got there till you left?

I just got round two of Pfizer. In both cases, 25 minutes from walk in to leaving, which included the 15 minute post-shot wait time.

 

[GregD]

I just got round two of Pfizer. In both cases, 25 minutes from walk in to leaving, which included the 15 minute post-shot wait time.

Thank you!
That was what I was needing.

 

[HoughMade]

Just another health professional murdered by a vaccine.
Just an acceptable loss in the big game.
Just not important.

CDC investigating death of Miami doctor who died after getting vaccine

Dr Gregory Michael, 56, an obstetrician with a private practice at Mount Sinai Medical Center in Miami Beach, died from a brain hemorrhage last Sunday - 16 days after he was vaccinated.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Just shut up and take the jab.

Well, that's 1 out of the roughly 6 or 7 million who have been vaccinated.

So that's .0000167% of people vaccinated who have died....ASSUMING what has not been proven, that the 2 are related.

The COVID death rate in Indiana stands at 1.51%, 8.966 deaths out of 592,709 total positive cases.

Therefore, using INGO math, it is 89.820 times safer to be vaccinated than to get COVID.

Make whatever decisions you want....but use real information.

 

[avboiler11]

Well, that's 1 out of the roughly 6 or 7 million who have been vaccinated.

So that's .0000167%

The COVID death rate is 1.51%

Therefore, using INGO math, it is 89.820 times safer to be vaccinated than to get COVID.

Make whatever decisions you want....but use real information.

I'd submit its important to use the CDC's estimated 8 actual infections for every 1 confirmed positive case, which would make a CFR of 1.51% into an IFR of 0.189%.

Point stands, however, that over 10.5M Americans have received the first dose of a mRNA vaccine and there's only been one death that might or might not be directly or indirectly due to such a vaccine and that kind of ratio is hard to argue with.

 

[smokingman]

California Urges Stop To 300K COVID-19 Vaccines After Some Fall Ill

California's state epidemiologist is urging a halt to more than 300,000 coronavirus vaccinations using a Moderna vaccine version because some people received medical treatment for possible severe allergic reactions.

sacramento.cbslocal.com

California Urges Stop To 300K COVID-19 Vaccines After Some Fall Ill(at 180 times the expected rate).​