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    worddoer

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    mrmiller21 said:
    Why is it that many gun owners cannot have a thoughtful discussion re more stringent controls on gun ownership? Are some of you really thinking that you will be grabbing your AR and going to war against the US government? We do all understand that WE are the government in this country, right? The majority is designed to determine the direction of the country (with the exception of the absurdly silly Electoral College. I recommend everyone read the history of and reasons for the EC to help understand why it should have never happened and should be dismantled today. If I called anyone a name in this post, it was not my intention.
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    Sadly, there are a portion of gun owners (like the one above) that are willing to let others guns be taken away.....as long as they get to keep the guns they want. Cough...cough...those supporting the argument that 80% receivers, AR/AK pistols, bump stocks, pistol braces, and/or all forms of AR15's should be banned or forced onto the NFA.

    Too many gun owners are selfish and practice the "you can take theirs, just don't take mine" philosophy. They hand over someone else's rights thinking they are protecting their own. Those who refuse to defend the freedom of others even if they don't use that freedom, those are self centered, narcissistic people.

    They think that their bolt actions, lever actions, pump actions, and revolvers will be safe if others will give up their "scary guns". But once someone commits a high profile crime using one of those guns, the anti-gun crowd will demand those be banned too. Since you gave everything else up, why wouldn't you give those up too?

    Lincoln said it best.....

    "Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves" Abraham Lincoln in letter to H.L. Pierce

    As gun owners, we must learn to " all hang together, or, most assuredly, we shall hang separately". - Benjamin Franklin

    If someone is not willing to defend someone else's rights, then they don't deserve the rights they themselves have. Most soldiers who give their lives for this country do so with the knowledge that they were defending the rights of others.... rights they themselves may never use. Selling out the rights of others because you don't personally use that right is a self centered and narcissistic thing to do.

    There appear to be even some here that don't see the inconsistency of supporting restrictions and obstacles to the practice of a natural right to the ownership of firearms (like the NFA) while rejecting any restrictions to other rights like freedom of speech and freedom of religion. Those same people would most likely be quite upset if they had to submit a report for government pre-approval and pay a $200 fee each time they would like to exercise their freedom of speech or their freedom of religion. Restrictions on freedom and liberty are wrong...all of them.

    Many of these people don't even know how restricted our firearms freedoms have become in the last 100 years. Many, including myself, have learned this information and have had enough. We will no longer stand by and let our freedoms be further taken away. We will take every legal measure necessary to maintain and if at all possible regain our natural rights.

    In 1934 people said "We pass this, and then we're done." Then we got stuck with the National Firearms Act. But the anti-gun folk were NOT done.

    In 1938 people said "We pass this, and then we're done." Then we got stuck with the Federal Firearms Act. But the anti-gun folk were NOT done.

    In 1968 people said "We pass this, and then we're done." Then we got stuck with the Gun Control Act. But the anti-gun folk were NOT done.

    In 1986 people said "We pass this, and then we're done." Then we got stuck with the Firearms Owners Protection Act (protection by banning stuff???). But the anti-gun folk were NOT done.

    In 1993 people said "We pass this, and then we're done." Then we got stuck with the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act. But the anti-gun folk were NOT done.

    In 1994 people said "We pass this, and then we're done." Then we got stuck with the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act (AKA assault weapons ban). Thankfully that was only in force from 1994-2004. But the anti-gun folk were NOT done and are still trying to reinstate it.

    In 2019 people said "We pass this, and then we're done." Then we got stuck with the Bump Stock Ban. A ban that was not voted on by congress or in any legislation, but arbitrarily "written" into law by an unelected and unaccountable bureaucrat, while offering no grandfathering option breaking the ex-post-facto laws. But the anti-gun folk were NOT done.

    In 2022-2023 people said "We pass this, and then we're done." And the ATF banned pistol braces and 80% receivers. Again, a ban that was not voted on by congress or in any legislation, but arbitrarily "written" into law by an unelected and unaccountable bureaucrat, while offering no grandfathering option breaking the ex-post-facto laws yet again. But the anti-gun folk were NOT done.

    As you can see above, we have tried 8 times to compromise and it only came to us losing more rights while the other side gave nothing. The other side has worn that card out. There is no compromise that will ever be enough. They only continue to ask for more and more and more.

    After losing a BIG chunk of our rights and trying this approach 8 different times, we as firearm owners have had enough. The anti-gun crowd has proven that they will never, never, never be satiated. And those who think that the anti-gun crowd will not ban NFA items the instant they have enough control are foolish. They have stated publicly many times they would LOVE to remove the NFA and ban all those items. How will that little $200 stamp save you when that happens?

    The anti-gun crowd hunger, thirst and dream of gun control. And although they might be a minority of the population, the 2/3 of American's in the middle are apathetic enough they will not spend time, money, resources or clout to defend something that they themselves do not care about.

    That is why many gun owners, including myself, believe that the time for compromise (including the NFA) is over. It is time to draw a line. Elections are not working, so we need to use the courts and any other peaceful legal mean others find to protect and hopefully regain our full rights back.

    Letting others take our guns will lead to others taking your guns.
     
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    worddoer said:
    Sadly, there are a portion of gun owners (like the one above) that are willing to let others guns be taken away.....as long as they get to keep the guns they want. Cough...cough...those supporting the argument that 80% receivers, AR/AK pistols, bump stocks, pistol braces, and/or all forms of AR15's should be banned or forced onto the NFA.
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    Does anyone else recall Jim Zumbo?
     
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