Why pay a premium for a Glock, or CZ, or H&K?

[rwjohnson1965]

I’m with you on being open minded for new things. I get people are loyal to their brand and see things for possibly what they were and not are ( ex. Taurus didn’t have the greatest reputation as I’m sure you know ) seems to me that generally speaking a striker fired pistol of today is either made of good components or lesser for the most part . Everything mechanical can malfunction so stand firm my friend I’m sure the bad guy won’t refuse to die because he was shot with a Taurus instead of a Glock !

 

[bwframe]

I just purchased a Glock 44 (22 cal) just for plinking. I already own a Taurus TX-22 that costs about $200 less. The TX-22 has a far superior trigger and is noticeably more accurate. Glock missed “Perfection” on the G44. I also own a Taurus G3 that is just as reliable and accurate as my Glock G19…only $250 less.

What kind of price tag are you gonna put on that piece of junk G44 in the classifieds?

 

[DadSmith]

What kind of price tag are you gonna put on that piece of junk G44 in the classifieds?

I don't see where he called Glock a poj. He is saying for the cost Taurus has built just as reliable firearm as Glock and he thinks the TX22 is better than the G44. I can't say anything about the G44, but I know the TX22 is a great 22lr pistol.

 

[WebSnyper]

I don't see where he called Glock a poj. He is saying for the cost Taurus has built just as reliable firearm as Glock and he thinks the TX22 is better than the G44. I can't say anything about the G44, but I know the TX22 is a great 22lr pistol.

You really are just trying to work him out of that good price he was working on aren't you.

 

[88E30M50]

I have seen cheaper guns outperform expensive guns from time to time. I used to really like Bersa 380s. I think that I had like 5 of them over years past. I decided to step up to the Wather PPK/S because it's the same gun but in stainless and better built. That damned thing took 500 rounds and some serious internal work to get it to function. The Bersa's were good out of the box for $250 and the $600 Walther took 500 rounds before it ran well.

The thing is though, 3 of my Bersa's ended up failing and going back for repair later on. One was replaced under warranty when the barrel pin kept walking. Once running well, the Walther ran beautifully ever after. As much as I liked the Bersa's, all ended up sold because I just didn't trust them. With only a little bit of shooting, I'd have been firm on the side of cheaper can be better but I shoot a lot and as round counts rise, cheaper tends to fail with a greater frequency

That's fine on range toys but for carry, I invest in quality every time

 

[DadSmith]

I have seen cheaper guns outperform expensive guns from time to time. I used to really like Bersa 380s. I think that I had like 5 of them over years past. I decided to step up to the Wather PPK/S because it's the same gun but in stainless and better built. That damned thing took 500 rounds and some serious internal work to get it to function. The Bersa's were good out of the box for $250 and the $600 Walther took 500 rounds before it ran well.

The thing is though, 3 of my Bersa's ended up failing and going back for repair later on. One was replaced under warranty when the barrel pin kept walking. Once running well, the Walther ran beautifully ever after. As much as I liked the Bersa's, all ended up sold because I just didn't trust them. With only a little bit of shooting, I'd have been firm on the side of cheaper can be better but I shoot a lot and as round counts rise, cheaper tends to fail with a greater frequency

That's fine on range toys but for carry, I invest in quality every time

Let's just say every firearms company has lemons from time to time. Some just have more than others.

 

[88E30M50]

Let's just say every firearms company has lemons from time to time. Some just have more than others.

This is true. I’ve always maintained that a big part of what you pay for with a higher end firearm is better QC but even with that, flawed guns do make it out of the factory now and then. That Walther should have never left the factory as delivered. Once it had the sharp edges broken and feed ramp fixed though, the better design of the Walther showed through when compared to the Bersa.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

The thing is though, 3 of my Bersa's ended up failing and going back for repair later on.

Durability/longevity is one of the main differentiators between duty grade guns and "just as good as." Since most "shooters" are actually "owners", that will never be a concern for them. It'll last the 50 round box they may put through it before it changes hands, either traded for the hot newness of the day or at the owner's estate sale.

 

[Hookeye]

Some people would rather buy lesser rigs new than better rigs used.

Miss on some good deals w that thinking.

I picked up an HK P30L w 5 mags for 400 used. Wanted a thumb safety model but at that price figured I could tolerate the diff.

LOL

 

[bwframe]

Is there a website that shows the "just as good" gun's half lives point to part with them?

At how many rounds or how many hours of carry are you on the wrong side of the reliability curve?

Is there a scale or graph that shows the rounds fired vs hours carried vs competition/class hours, where the gun has been truly stressed?

 

[Hookeye]

Taurus is used by South American Military and police. I'm not sure what Taurus firearms they use but they are in use down there. According to Taurus there are some police departments in the United States that use Taurus as well. Again not sure what Taurus firearms they use.

Go to another forum, guy there trained the Brazilian Hostage Rescue Team guys.....and they had Taurus, and hated em.

Easy 9mm Luger questions for the experts

The Taurus 92 auto and 66 revolver had decent reputations

www.24hourcampfire.com

 

[DadSmith]

Go to another forum, guy there trained the Brazilian Hostage Rescue Team guys.....and they had Taurus, and hated em.

Easy 9mm Luger questions for the experts

The Taurus 92 auto and 66 revolver had decent reputations

www.24hourcampfire.com

I read they are using the TH9 now since 2019. That article is from 2007. Anything within the last 5 years or so? Or on the TH9?

 

[88E30M50]

Some people would rather buy lesser rigs new than better rigs used.

Miss on some good deals w that thinking.

I picked up an HK P30L w 5 mags for 400 used. Wanted a thumb safety model but at that price figured I could tolerate the diff.

LOL

All of my carry guns are used now days. The two P226s were police trade ins and both of the P229s were lightly used pre-owned. The police guns got resprung and GG triggers but the other two were gtg. There’s no need to buy low end new if you can find top shelf used for the same money

 

[rcwill]

What kind of price tag are you gonna put on that piece of junk G44 in the classifieds?

Depends on what you are willing to pay.

 

[bwframe]

Depends on what you are willing to pay.

I'm happy to pay a bit better than Taurus money for it.

Please post a link to your add in the classifieds, when you list it, my friend.

 

[DadSmith]

I'm happy to pay a bit better than Taurus money for it.

Please post a link to your add in the classifieds, when you list it, my friend.

Someone is in need of a G44.

 

[Dean C.]

 

[bwframe]

 

[Ark]

Go to another forum, guy there trained the Brazilian Hostage Rescue Team guys.....and they had Taurus, and hated em.

Easy 9mm Luger questions for the experts

The Taurus 92 auto and 66 revolver had decent reputations

www.24hourcampfire.com

After what happened to HK I bet a lot of European and American manufacturers are very leery of selling to Brazil's government forces.

Budget guns may be good enough for carrying in a hybrid holster in the Beech Grove Walmart but I'm with them, I want the real stuff for narcos that are shooting back at me.

 

[DadSmith]

He makes good videos and I'm glad he came back and let us know about these guns. More honest reviews online and maybe some of these manufacturers will step up their quality control.