What the Indy FedEx Shooting Means for INGO

[churchmouse]

While I question the motive of this behavior and wonder about context used, none of us should be assuming that anything posted on INGO is INGO eyes only.

We should all assume that our words posted are being scrutinized by all kinds of outsiders to our community.

Bingo. You just veified my point and thank you.

 

[Ingomike]

19 ain’t a kid.

A couple of hundred years ago 19 was a husband, a father, and an adult. You get what you raise...

 

[churchmouse]

A couple of hundred years ago 19 was a husband, a father, and an adult. You get what you raise...

70 years ago 19 was storming the active guns on a beach thousands of miles from home. These little stains are sick.

 

[Twangbanger]

Settle down guys, we're not being picked on. I fully suspect the OP will post the same warning to the Pony forum.

 

[IndyBeerman]

In all fairness, the kid was only 19. He was just a kid. What the hell did he know?

I was once 19, so was you, so was all of us.

So my question is, since he was just a kid of 19, does that mean that the requirements to join the US Military should be raised from 18 (17 with parent signature) to 21 years of age?

Also should all things requiring a minimum age of 18 be raised?

The question at hand was his mental state. He should not have had the ability to purchase a firearm,

 

[OkieGirl]

Does this mean that we will now begin a real conversation on Mental Health in this country?

I think everyone who had been watching and learning about the shooter understands that there were real issues. If we think the world they are growing up in today is the same as when we were coming up we are sadly mistaken. I do believe 19 is an adult, he was not a kid. I do believe he was suffering from mental health issues. If a firearm had not been the tool used it would have been a knife or a club or a car. We've got to stop looking at the 'tool' of the action and dig into the internal mechanism that lead the person to make these decisions.

Quick observations - the facility was a gun free zone. No LAW ABIDING/Rule Following citizens were carrying inside. Murder is still illegal in this country. Are we to punish the innocent for fear of the wicked?

 

[churchmouse]

Does this mean that we will now begin a real conversation on Mental Health in this country?

I think everyone who had been watching and learning about the shooter understands that there were real issues. If we think the world they are growing up in today is the same as when we were coming up we are sadly mistaken. I do believe 19 is an adult, he was not a kid. I do believe he was suffering from mental health issues. If a firearm had not been the tool used it would have been a knife or a club or a car. We've got to stop looking at the 'tool' of the action and dig into the internal mechanism that lead the person to make these decisions.

Quick observations - the facility was a gun free zone. No LAW ABIDING/Rule Following citizens were carrying inside. Murder is still illegal in this country. Are we to punish the innocent for fear of the wicked?

OG you know I love it when you post as your incite into these things is amazing.

Now, my question is this....If we give our broken system any further authority beyond what they are misusing currently how can we trust anything they implement. All I see is another tool to divide us, disarm us and push us closer to the socialists Utopia/Euro model they seek.

 

[IndyBeerman]

Does this mean that we will now begin a real conversation on Mental Health in this country?

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Quick observations - the facility was a gun free zone. No LAW ABIDING/Rule Following citizens were carrying inside. Murder is still illegal in this country. Are we to punish the innocent for fear of the wicked?

I have been saying this for YEARS. People with EVIL intentions will use any means necessary to accomplish their goal.

People need to start looking at the source.

The gun did not fire itself, it was the finger attached to a unstable person that did this. If anti-gun logic was used in other facets of life, then cars would be banned because of drunk driving deaths. The list could be paragraphs long if this thought process was allowed.

 

[OurDee]

There would be a lot less problems in the world if more people were into bronies or church. I have a very stable friend that likes bronies. I don't see him shooting up people in the near future. I like rubber ducks myself. What did you think OurDee/R.D. stood for? A rubber duck is a decoy. I would like to put a boot in some politician's backsides, but that won't be happenning either. I have tried to not say anything online that would hurt me in a trial defense. Probably something out there that could be misconstrued. I too have bought and sold. I paid attention to weather or not I thought a person was proper. Anyone can come off as wacked if you stare them down long enough. My agenda is to help others get their mind right while not loosing my own. And sometimes, yes, sometimes I yack too much.
This is for free: When all the mental hospitals were closed, I think the inmates left and procreated.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Does this mean that we will now begin a real conversation on Mental Health in this country?

I think everyone who had been watching and learning about the shooter understands that there were real issues. If we think the world they are growing up in today is the same as when we were coming up we are sadly mistaken. I do believe 19 is an adult, he was not a kid. I do believe he was suffering from mental health issues. If a firearm had not been the tool used it would have been a knife or a club or a car. We've got to stop looking at the 'tool' of the action and dig into the internal mechanism that lead the person to make these decisions.

Quick observations - the facility was a gun free zone. No LAW ABIDING/Rule Following citizens were carrying inside. Murder is still illegal in this country. Are we to punish the innocent for fear of the wicked?

I’m all aboard the “let’s look at mental health,” train. I won’t say exactly what I do now, but I’m still in the “business” and run across people with mental health issues fairly regularly. There are a lot of people that honestly need to be institutionalized.... and I mean a HELL of a lot. The problem is what would the criteria be, and who would be making those decisions.

 

[Brad69]

So at the tender age of 19 I had already served in the Army for two years. Had a year in the ROK and a tour in Central America.
IME severe mental problems come from fantasy that blurred into reality. Then as KUT stated some are just bat #$& crazy.

IMO we would have to return to State Hospital systems. Many of our homeless could be productive with proper care.

 

[Ingomike]

So TPTB are comfortable with taking second amendment rights to curb evil, but are not willing to curb rights to contain the mentally ill from perpetrating that evil...

 

[Hawkeye]

I hope everyone here knows that a lot of what is said is captured via screenshot by a certain member and shared to other forums.

That was my first thought.

OK, you don't get to drop this in here and walk off. Who is doing the screenshots and posting them on another forum? As far as I know, that's not against the "rules" but it is kind of slimy and underhanded.

 

[Hawkeye]

While I question the motive of this behavior and wonder about context used, none of us should be assuming that anything posted on INGO is INGO eyes only.

We should all assume that our words posted are being scrutinized by all kinds of outsiders to our community.

And I think if someone is aware of ti happening with any degree of regularity as the OP intimated, we deserve to know who is doing it.

 

[Hawkeye]

I have been saying this for YEARS. People with EVIL intentions will use any means necessary to accomplish their goal.

People need to start looking at the source.

The gun did not fire itself, it was the finger attached to a unstable person that did this. If anti-gun logic was used in other facets of life, then cars would be banned because of drunk driving deaths. The list could be paragraphs long if this thought process was allowed.

That's a lefty. My left hand doesn't operate a firearm...

 

[churchmouse]

I’m all aboard the “let’s look at mental health,” train. I won’t say exactly what I do now, but I’m still in the “business” and run across people with mental health issues fairly regularly. There are a lot of people that honestly need to be institutionalized.... and I mean a HELL of a lot. The problem is what would the criteria be, and who would be making those decisions.

Bingo.

 

[churchmouse]

OK, you don't get to drop this in here and walk off. Who is doing the screenshots and posting them on another forum? As far as I know, that's not against the "rules" but it is kind of slimy and underhanded.

Yes he does. This is as far as doxing will go.
trust the team is on this even before this post.
so please. We got this.

 

[Hawkeye]

Bingo.

Finally something that I agree with Kut on!

 

[IndyDave1776]

Bro, I have kids and watched the newer My Little Pony cartoons with my daughter. While being pretty funny overall, with the writers throwing in some throwback jokes to pop culture stuff from the 80s, 90s, and 00s and some just generally funny and heartfelt writing, it was far from being anything far-right. In fact, when it could have gone left it didn't; on the whole it was a cute show that ran fairly down the middle.

And maybe that's the problem: it's not far ENOUGH left, so I guess that means it's right wing. SMDH.

First, I had also noticed that children's programming often includes humor like that to keep it from being too painful for the parents to tolerate.

Second, you're dead center as usual. If it isn't to the left of AOC, it's "right-wing extremist".

 

[IndyDave1776]

19 ain’t a kid. But I digress. If you’re a cop, and a hone gets burglarized in your beat, you tend to focus a bit more the security of neighborhoods, rather than other stuff, for a while. I’m thinking along the same lines with this incident. While we are a collective group of knuckleheads, I don’t think there’s really anyone who a threat to anything like what we just saw. Let’s not give anybody an excuse to villify us anymore than we already are.

I have mixed feelings here. All things being equal, your reasoning is very sound. My concern is that this ship has already sailed. Verified behaviors from assorted agents of the .gov have made it clear that they consider anyone right of center an enemy.

The best we can do is refrain from saying anything flippant that might encourage them to go on the offensive. After all, they have already made it clear that there are two different sets of standards.