What drills did you run this week and how did you do?

[gregkl]

Wow! Video now! Nice work on the shooting and the recording.

 

[backtrail540]

Wow! Video now! Nice work on the shooting and the recording.

Unfortunately i forgot my tripod so i had to put the phone in a pocket on my wagon

 

[cedartop]

So no way I am going out today, currently 18 degrees and 30 mph winds. I did run some drills last night though.

Review of Canik MC9

Picked up from my LGS today. Did not get the usual discount and paid $439.99 + tax. That is what you get for being impatient. Why did I get this pistol? The plan right now is to run it in Backup gun (BUG) division of IDPA this year. I was looking for the largest and easiest to shoot gun that...

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[gregkl]

So no way I am going out today, currently 18 degrees and 30 mph winds. I did run some drills last night though.

Review of Canik MC9

Picked up from my LGS today. Did not get the usual discount and paid $439.99 + tax. That is what you get for being impatient. Why did I get this pistol? The plan right now is to run it in Backup gun (BUG) division of IDPA this year. I was looking for the largest and easiest to shoot gun that...

www.indianagunowners.com

Yeah, I'm a little bummed. I won't make it tomorrow most likely either. That will be two weekends in a row. Fortunately that doesn't happen often, but tomorrow morning is calling for single digit wind chills again.

 

[cedartop]

Well it was one of those range sessions that makes you wonder if you should just give up. It is time to start prepping for the Bianchi Cup/NRA Action Pistol/CMP match coming up in May. I recently put a new trigger in my Walther Q5 (Overwatch Precision). That went surprisingly well and in dry fire it functioned perfectly. Unfortunately now during live fire I am getting failures to extract. I don't think anything I did to the lower half by changing out the trigger should have caused this, but I haven't had these issues before. Last fall I did change my recoil assembly out for a Sprinco unit because it is hard to find the assemblies for the Q5 and they are expensive. I had noticed in dry fire that the gun wasn't hand cycling correctly so I figured it was a worn recoil spring. I put the old factory guide rod back in and it did get a little better but I still had problems. Needless to say this put a damper on my training.

What I was trying to do was the practical section of the match. This involves shooting 2 targets in stings of 1, 2, and 3 each, timed at 10, 15, 25, and 50 yards. Of course clearing malfunctions caused me to miss some par times. Will have to get this sorted before the match. The first 3 distances went ok. Because I have had a flare up of a poorly repaired hernia I chose to not go prone at 50, which most people do and I did at the match last year. I did none too well at this stage from a standing position. Prone is the way to go to maximize points and I will have to get back to it.

Switched to the Legion after that frustration. I started with the SWYNTS drill. At 15 I shot ok and made all of my par times, but I could tell I was not seeing what I needed to see. I think it was a mental problem left over from the frustration of the Walther not running correctly. At 7 yards I again made all of my par times. At 3 yards where I am trying to get a draw and 2 shots in under a second while keeping a clear picture of what is going on is where I struggled. I did not make the pars today and a lot of it was not that the first shot was too slow but I was getting some trigger freeze on the split due to gripping too hard with my firing hand.

I reset and did Bill drills in the same fashion at 15, 7, and 3 yards. Once again as the distances got closer I found myself gripping too hard with the firing hand and slowing down my splits. I was mostly keeping everything in the A at all distances but times were slow running 2 runs from each distance I was 2.5 seconds at 15, 2.25 at 7, and just over 2 on both runs from 3. Again at 3 I really noticed the excess tension and it killed my splits. I will say with target focus it was no problem seeing the dot as a bouncing ball painting the target. That is something at least.

I finished with a 10 shot slow fire group at 25 and although the score was not great at 90, the group itself was fairly tight but shifted to the right. I did not adjust my dot because I am not convinced it was the gun but more likely me.

 

[gregkl]

I have experienced trigger freeze at the last couple range sessions. If that is when you fire a shot and then not getting back to reset, you don't touch another round off.

I have been working on gripping the pistol tighter as that is a fault of mine.

Could this be why I am getting the trigger freeze? Do I need to now focus on gripping tighter with the support hand vs both hands?

 

[cedartop]

I have experienced trigger freeze at the last couple range sessions. If that is when you fire a shot and then not getting back to reset, you don't touch another round off.

I have been working on gripping the pistol tighter as that is a fault of mine.

Could this be why I am getting the trigger freeze? Do I need to now focus on gripping tighter with the support hand vs both hands?

Yes, yes, and yes. My trigger freeze lately hasn't been complete as in failing to get off the next shot, but enough to slow me down. If you are gripping harder with your firing hand that could definitely lead to trigger freeze. You want most of your pressure to come from your support hand. This should be practiced in dry fire as well so it will carry over.

 

[backtrail540]

I had other plans for today, but last night a friend dropped off a newly purchased XR920 from Shadow Systems that he asked me to break in for him as he didn't have time. I guess if you really need me too He also provided ammo....

So I took the three target array that I had in the truck and my usual supplies. It was me and my usual shooting partner so setup was easy. It has an SRO mounted on it and I did not check zero until after the cold drill. I ran it from my standard glock rig without issue.

Cold drill was a double dose of the the Old Bakersfield Qual, simply running each string twice. I met all pars except on the very first string which I was .01 over. I did well until the fifteen where I pulled several into the overall silhouette dropping what I would call a total down 12 for a 187 ( loose scoring of the middle of the 8 ring where the number 8 is as the 7" circle, the paper as the next scoring zone for 9 points, and the rest of the silhouette as 6 points). It is atypical for me to trend high right so next I checked zero. Using a 10 yard zero it was about 3 inches high and 3 inche right. I corrected this and confirmed at 25 - poorly...5 were in the 10 ring but I rushed a bit and had several called shots outside.


Bakersfield qual x2

Next I ran a great drill that I hadn't run in some time but find quite challenging. The Warren Advanced 3 Second Standards - https://pistol-training.com/shooting-drills/warren-advanced-3-second-standards/

I ended up with a 47 (cleaned @5, dropped 1 each at 7&10, managed 7 sho, and only snagged 5 each at 15,who, and moving). I have a fair amount of data on this drill and the last few times I had run it were 44(with a .22), 38, 36, 40, 43, 33, 38, and 35. Those were going back to 2015! All irons scores except for the .22. So between my current skill level and a dot, i managed to snag a few extra points but not to the elusive 49 recommended as excellent by TLG haha. This drill practices so many things - draws, transitions both wider and closer because they get more acute as you move back, higher and lower percentage shots, sho & who, and shooting on the move. Fun and excellent time!

I ran probably 50-75 rounds of doubles (too much support hand pressure was causing the dot to track diagonally from top right to bottom left - I run it from a ready and a draw to see if my natural current grip from the holster is different and it actually tracked vertically so long as I didn't think about it and modify it), a modified triple nickel (3 out and over time), a 1-5 (also a few out at 4.7), various other random shots here and there to finish a magazine etc...I finished with two runs of the supertest to a 3x5. The first was an 8.7 but only 6/10. My final run was 10.09 and of course the last shot dropped out because i got lazy/cocky and relaxed my support hand just enough.



I really like the Shadow Systems guns. They are a great way to get glock simplicity without glock ergos. The two i've had the chance to run (this xr920 and a dr920) have been great with this not suffering any issues in the quick 200 rounds despite SS saying they have a break in period. The dr920 did have a few issues but they went away after the first hundred rounds and it was good thereafter. Were i going to purchase one, i would like a dr920l.

After we went to a few gun stores because he needed a few things and I handled several things. During the trip I became smitten with trying a PDP. I've handled them before and didn't have much trouble avoiding the wantsies but today they hit my spot and I actually preferred it to the q5 sf they had. I couldn't reach the mag button on the sf very well and the grip felt fat. The pdp was just right. I may grab a compact to mess around with later this year. I like the longish pre travel and smooth break vs some other options. Texture is good as well as ergos. I think MVS should trade his Legion for one Next week it's back to rimfire rifle stuff.

 

[cedartop]

I had other plans for today, but last night a friend dropped off a newly purchased XR920 from Shadow Systems that he asked me to break in for him as he didn't have time. I guess if you really need me too He also provided ammo....

So I took the three target array that I had in the truck and my usual supplies. It was me and my usual shooting partner so setup was easy. It has an SRO mounted on it and I did not check zero until after the cold drill. I ran it from my standard glock rig without issue.

Cold drill was a double dose of the the Old Bakersfield Qual, simply running each string twice. I met all pars except on the very first string which I was .01 over. I did well until the fifteen where I pulled several into the overall silhouette dropping what I would call a total down 12 for a 187 ( loose scoring of the middle of the 8 ring where the number 8 is as the 7" circle, the paper as the next scoring zone for 9 points, and the rest of the silhouette as 6 points). It is atypical for me to trend high right so next I checked zero. Using a 10 yard zero it was about 3 inches high and 3 inche right. I corrected this and confirmed at 25 - poorly...5 were in the 10 ring but I rushed a bit and had several called shots outside.


Bakersfield qual x2

Next I ran a great drill that I hadn't run in some time but find quite challenging. The Warren Advanced 3 Second Standards - https://pistol-training.com/shooting-drills/warren-advanced-3-second-standards/

I ended up with a 47 (cleaned @5, dropped 1 each at 7&10, managed 7 sho, and only snagged 5 each at 15,who, and moving). I have a fair amount of data on this drill and the last few times I had run it were 44(with a .22), 38, 36, 40, 43, 33, 38, and 35. Those were going back to 2015! All irons scores except for the .22. So between my current skill level and a dot, i managed to snag a few extra points but not to the elusive 49 recommended as excellent by TLG haha. This drill practices so many things - draws, transitions both wider and closer because they get more acute as you move back, higher and lower percentage shots, sho & who, and shooting on the move. Fun and excellent time!

I ran probably 50-75 rounds of doubles (too much support hand pressure was causing the dot to track diagonally from top right to bottom left - I run it from a ready and a draw to see if my natural current grip from the holster is different and it actually tracked vertically so long as I didn't think about it and modify it), a modified triple nickel (3 out and over time), a 1-5 (also a few out at 4.7), various other random shots here and there to finish a magazine etc...I finished with two runs of the supertest to a 3x5. The first was an 8.7 but only 6/10. My final run was 10.09 and of course the last shot dropped out because i got lazy/cocky and relaxed my support hand just enough.



I really like the Shadow Systems guns. They are a great way to get glock simplicity without glock ergos. The two i've had the chance to run (this xr920 and a dr920) have been great with this not suffering any issues in the quick 200 rounds despite SS saying they have a break in period. The dr920 did have a few issues but they went away after the first hundred rounds and it was good thereafter. Were i going to purchase one, i would like a dr920l.

After we went to a few gun stores because he needed a few things and I handled several things. During the trip I became smitten with trying a PDP. I've handled them before and didn't have much trouble avoiding the wantsies but today they hit my spot and I actually preferred it to the q5 sf they had. I couldn't reach the mag button on the sf very well and the grip felt fat. The pdp was just right. I may grab a compact to mess around with later this year. I like the longish pre travel and smooth break vs some other options. Texture is good as well as ergos. I think MVS should trade his Legion for one Next week it's back to rimfire rifle stuff.

Bakersfield is good stuff. It is hard to imagine a whole department passing that on the regular.

Glad the SS worked out. I still think about picking one of those up from time to time.

I have shot the Hackathorn 3 second standards but not the Warren, that I remember. What I like about that is that it is like its own little practice session for those things that we know we should work on but sometimes don't. I will have to give it a try.

I have looked at the PDP before, more so when they went gen 2 on the RDS cut, but could never make up my mind on one. Actually like the F better I think. Funny about the Q5 SF, when I got it I thought the grip was a little fat so I ordered a set of slim LOK grips. Now that I like having as much support hand on the back of the grip as possible, I ordered a set of LOK's with a palm swell.

 

[BigRed]

Stopped by a range to test a firearm. Couple of guys were there who have obviously been friends for decades.

Good reminder of what's important.

I cannot shoot worth a **** .... until I am relaxed.

Today was a very relaxed day!

 

[BigRed]

Stopped by a range to test a firearm. Couple of guys were there who have obviously been friends for decades.

Good reminder of what's important.

I cannot shoot worth a **** .... until I am relaxed.

Today was a very relaxed day!

FWIW, I find commie scum......EXTREMELY relaxing.

 

[gregkl]

Went to the range with my wife this time so it was more about having fun then doing strict drills. She likes to shoot steel targets so we spent time on the Texas Star and plate rack. She shoots .22 so it won't drop the plates off the Star but she still likes going around the star as fast as she can. She does pretty good on the plate rack.

We both shot Dot Torture side by side. That was fun.

At the end, she rested while I shot that drill where you are supposed to draw and fire 5 rounds within 2.5-3.0s without misses. Start at 5 yards, then keep backing up. Do it until you succeed. I will work on this, but yesterday it was more of a trial run to see how far off I am. I ran this at 5 yards.

I was surprised that I did better than I thought. I really thought I would be in the 5-ish second range given that my draw usually takes up 2 seconds. Here is how I did with my 2.0 Compact:

1. 3.27 (1.81)draw 4. 3.13 (2.78)
2. 3.34 (1.80) 5. 2.65 (1.62) down 1
3. 3.24 (1.74) 6. 2.59 (1.62)

Here is how I did with the TX22:
1. 2.48 (1.57) 4. 2.45 (1.46) -3
2. 2.43 (1.46) down 3 5. 2.51 (1.60) -2
3. 2.66 (1.66) 6. 3.32 (2.18)

With the TX, several times I didn't even see the dot, I just drew and dumped rounds quickly. The results are evident.

I found this target in the trash can, taped it up and used it here. I usually don't post my targets since I tend to use one for my entire session and with all the holes in it, it wouldn't make any sense. This was a time when I used a target for one specific drill, albeit two guns. The taped holes outside the A zone are from the previous person who used the target.

 

[cedartop]

I guess I am going to have to buy some brown paper tape for heads now. I hate using up a lot of targets. Shipping is a killer. The Warren Advanced 3 second standards are no joke. Shooting with the Legion and IDPA gear except a open front coat and not a vest.
1) Under par and clean
2) Under par and clean
3) 1 shot over par, 1 miss -2
4) Things start to get a little sporty here, over par for 1 shot on 2 strings, and 1 miss. -3
5) 1 over par, 1 miss. -2
6) Have I been neglecting WHO? Yes. Last shot on all 3 strings over par. -3
7) Are you kidding me? Over par last shot on 2 strings. 2 misses -4

Total=49 I'll bet I could run it again and only get 40. Some of the times and hits were that close. Some of these things like WHO, and SOM I am going to add back in to dry fire.

Next up was a changing gears drill that I have started to do in dry fire. 7 yards, 2 shots to 2 of the circles per string in a random order. Well, it was supposed to be a random order. I seem to have shot way less times at the 2" circle and way more at the 8 " circle though it didn't seem like it at the time. I tried to go with the 3 second par time I still had in the timer from the last drill but only made that when shooting the bigger set of circles.



After this I ran some 2R2 still from concealment at 5 yards. What I was looking for here was to see what I see in dry fire, that is, everything. Not only did that not happen, but my times were considerably slower as well. That is ok, something to work on. Only one fumbled reload was a good thing. Fastest in battery time was 3.67 seconds and fastest slide lock was 4.05. I set par at 2.5 during dry but that is with no concealment.

I switched to the MC9 BUG candidate just trying to get familiar with it. I ran the same 2R2 drill and was averaging about a second longer as well as having a few wild shots. Ran 2 runs of 7 yard Blake drill with a 4.14 and 3.84. Slow but not terrible for a "micro" 9 and irons. I think I will pick up some time with familiarity and a fiber optic front. Finished up trying to put 10 rounds into one hole at 5 yards. I came closer the second time but still no dice.

 

[backtrail540]

Great showing on the Warren, MVS! Kudos