What’s the ATF doing?

[JettaKnight]

I guess it could be likely this is a publicity stunt for donations by GOA.

I think it is just more likely the ATF is exercising its bureaucratic muscle. They know they've got the backing of the white house.

a lobbyist group amplifying something to increase their income? No, never.
And YouTubers literally survive by making wild speculations to get clicks.

might be a legit email, but am I right that there's no official word from the ATF yet?

And I just realized there's at least two different topics in this thread.

 

[JettaKnight]

I'm totally confused and lost interrest, unless they make Mosin Nagant triggers...

 

[Ingomike]

I'm totally confused

This normal, just get some rest…

 

[Tombs]

ELI5.

What's a "rare breed trigger" and what is the ATF doing?

It's a semi-functional trigger.

Basically it relies on generating harsh enough trigger slap that it resets the trigger every time it cocks.

This means if you keep the trigger held down hard enough, you'll automatically pull the trigger as fast as the action cycles.

 

[1nderbeard]

a lobbyist group amplifying something to increase their income? No, never.
And YouTubers literally survive by making wild speculations to get clicks.

might be a legit email, but am I right that there's no official word from the ATF yet?

And I just realized there's at least two different topics in this thread.

the ATF going after something or someone they deem criminal (without any legislative or judicial precedent)? No, never.

Oh wait that just happened...

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flmd.398039/gov.uscourts.flmd.398039.57.0.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1_nXWfHB-BrBXNlfltGJDBEmp7Nz884u_-jbXlPyeQi-lcJk1rkvwGa0U

 

[tbhausen]

FPC Statement on Possible ATF Actions Regarding ‘Forced-Reset Triggers’ (FRTs)

FPC Law is investigating a purported internal ATF email alleging that businesses which manufacture, distribute, or sell ‘forced-reset triggers’—specifically referring to “Rare Breed and Wide-Open Triggers (FRT Trigger).”

www.firearmspolicy.org

 

[MinuteManMike]

ELI5.

What's a "rare breed trigger" and what is the ATF doing?

It's a brand of FRT (Forced-Reset Trigger). Basically a bump-stock in a trigger. It forces the trigger forward to reset the trigger, even if you are still pulling the trigger back.

It's a brilliant legal loophole because it literally forces you to make a trigger pull every time, thereby evading the legal definition of a "machine gun". The proper thing for the ATF to do would have been to ask Congress to make a NEW law.

Instead, they're re-defining regulations like evil feds often do, then pretending they have the force of law.

Unfortunately, they still kill kids and dogs doing their illegal acts and the courts often buy into their BS arguments. Which is why evil fed "regulators", prosecutors and judges often belong "hanging out" on the same tree.

 

[cbhausen]

The clever and innovative folks who come up with the stuff are only proving how stupid these laws are in the first place.

 

[BigRed]

Little Johnny was in his Kindergarten class when the teacher asked the children what their fathers did for a living.

All the typical answers came up - fireman, policeman, salesman. Johnny was being uncharacteristically quiet, and so the teacher asked him about his father.

"My father's an exotic dancer in a gay cabaret and takes off all his clothes in front of other men. Sometimes, if the offer's really good, he'll go out to the alley with some screaming customer and take it up the ***".

The teacher hurriedly set the other children to work on some colouring in and took little Johnny aside to ask him "Is that really true about your father?"

"No," said Johnny, "he actually works for atf, but I was too embarrassed to say".

 

[ancjr]

 

[tbhausen]

80% lower, pistol brace, and other regulations are coming this year. Note this language in each summary: “Government Levels Affected: None.” Of course not.

BREAKING: Federal Register Publishes Schedule For ATF's Firearm, Silencer, and Pistol Brace Final Regulations - The Truth About Guns

&#9664Previous Post Next Post▶ Set to publish tomorrow, but for some reason already public on govinfo (or download the PDF HERE), the January 31, 2022 Federal Register details ATF’s plans to finalize its rulemaking and regulations related to the definitions of firearm, firearm frame/receiver...

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

 

[Cameramonkey]

80% lower, pistol brace, and other regulations are coming this year. Note this language in each summary: “Government Levels Affected: None.” Of course not.

BREAKING: Federal Register Publishes Schedule For ATF's Firearm, Silencer, and Pistol Brace Final Regulations - The Truth About Guns

&#9664Previous Post Next Post▶ Set to publish tomorrow, but for some reason already public on govinfo (or download the PDF HERE), the January 31, 2022 Federal Register details ATF’s plans to finalize its rulemaking and regulations related to the definitions of firearm, firearm frame/receiver...

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

At least some of this makes SOME sense. Like somebody putting a short eye relief scope on a pistol is a ding against it being a pistol. Or something that folds down to facilitate shouldering. Duh.
Not a fan but at least there appears to be some logic to it instead of "BAN THEM ALL!!!!" (Which is odd for them)

 

[tbhausen]

I don’t think there’s a single scenario where a SBA3 or SBA4 could be put on a large frame pistol and remain outside NFA regulation.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

At least some of this makes SOME sense. Like somebody putting a short eye relief scope on a pistol is a ding against it being a pistol. Or something that folds down to facilitate shouldering. Duh.
Not a fan but at least there appears to be some logic to it instead of "BAN THEM ALL!!!!" (Which is odd for them)

How so? People that hunt with pistols (legal) use short eye-relief scopes all the time.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Will they wait for Ukraine to be all over the news again before going after braces?

 

[DragonGunner]

Perfect example of why the ATF, and everyone in the ATF should be in jail. Then we can move on to the other agencies.

 

[BiscuitsandGravy]

Will they wait for Ukraine to be all over the news again before going after braces?

Kelly- you're such a cynic. You mean to tell us the ATF doesn't work in good faith?

 

[Squirt239]

This could be a disaster.

They are saying each part will have it’s
own serial number? WTF


In the end, a Glock 40 could have up to 16 different regulated parts!


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While I don't like it, there's a reason I just invented 6k in a fiber laser.....

 

[KellyinAvon]

Kelly- you're such a cynic. You mean to tell us the ATF doesn't work in good faith?

You can see a lot just by observing—Yogi Berra

 

[Cameramonkey]

How so? People that hunt with pistols (legal) use short eye-relief scopes all the time.

Maybe I'm confused. Im talking about the rifle scopes that are useless unless your eyeball is 2" from the scope. I had no Idea Cletus would install a rifle scope on his Colt Python and stick his face directly behind the pistol to take the shot. Sounds like a recipe for a black eye to me.

And in an AR "pistol" config, in order to use a rifle scope you're practically shouldering the thing. Not putting your forearm in the brace and shooting it like a traditional pistol.