Two U.S. Navy Ships Narrowly Miss Collision in San Diego Bay

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  • actaeon277

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    Reminds me of a couple of years ago when US Navy ships seemed to be crashing into various tankers and cargo ships with amazing regularity.

    I couldn't figure out how warships that supposedly could track dozens of high speed targets couldn't manage to avoid hitting ships the size of football stadiums going 10MPH.
    People crash on roads.
    Yet there's clearly defined traffic lanes and rules. No currents or sandbars.
     

    BJHay

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    Reminds me of a couple of years ago when US Navy ships seemed to be crashing into various tankers and cargo ships with amazing regularity.
    I was extremely curious about how the Fitzgerald, an Arleigh Burke destroyer. could be rammed by a cargo ship in calm clear (although congested) conditions. I read the incident report. Although not a military guy I was more than surprised at the failings in staffing, training, maintenance and command that are in that report. Problems like that are systemic so the terminations up the chain-of-command seemed understandable. I went down a rabbit hole after that and read the public reports from many of the other incidents.

    I defer to others with direct military experience but I have enough experience with managing large operations to question whether senior Navy management isn't focused to much on the hardware and not enough on the people and maintenance. I'm still concerned that may be the case.
     

    thompal

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    People crash on roads.
    Yet there's clearly defined traffic lanes and rules. No currents or sandbars.

    Yeah, but in a car, there aren't multiple lookouts and a radar system that tells you from 30 miles away that there is a giant lumbering ship on a course that will bring it close to you.
     

    Creedmoor

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    The navy tends to believe otherwise
    When with my mom as a kid she lived in Annapolis, I sailed and raced with and against many Navy and midshipman in those years.
    I know better.

    Bestist one I know is a few sunk Dodge Morgans sailboat "Americas Promise" he donated to the Acadmy.
    They sailed or powered? into a tug towing a barge full of coal.
    Just down the Patuxant River from my familys farm.

    Im just busting your balls, but its like digging in the dirt.
    You dig in the dirt enough and you will cut utilitys.
     

    Creedmoor

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    Yeah, but in a car, there aren't multiple lookouts and a radar system that tells you from 30 miles away that there is a giant lumbering ship on a course that will bring it close to you.
    As a blue water sailer I will say in blue water one will be on the vhf at 20 miles. At ten one will be paying attention to both headings.
    At 5 its hey mother ****er do you see me????

    At 25 knots and my 8-10 knots towards each other things can escalate quickly.

    Now take two ships with each doing 20 to 30 knots towards each other.
     

    Landrunner33

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    The navy seems to be in disarray recently. One problem after another.
     

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