To mask or not to mask....That is the question. Part II

[NKBJ]

At least they have that real nice fuel pool blue color.

 

[jimC2]

I scanned those article, they are all old. Basically stuff we discussed last year.

Don't lick door knobs.

Didn't see older discussion. Sorry about that. The information is still accurate. Makes me wonder about news channels and others that tell people lies about distancing and other things.

 

[IndyDave1776]

I'm not staking a position, but how did you come to attribute that to the CDC?


As to the control thing:

Well, maybe the next control is food rations during a world war... oh, wait...

A year ago the CDC arbitrarily dismissed studies showing masks to be ineffective. The started their own study. A month or so ago they released their results, on a Sunday afternoon, arriving at the same conclusion that mask usage generated results between zero and insignificant. Monday morning, i heard several CDC announcements doubling down on pushing masks.

What would you discern from this?

 

[IndyDave1776]

I also remember when we were told, "it's a novel virus. It's unlike anything we've ever dealt with before!" Which then morphed into, "wash your hands. Don't sneeze or cough on people."

The profundity of being instructed as if it were a new discovery what most of us learned by the time we were in kindergarten.

 

[IndyDave1776]

So are we allowed to celebrate Independence Day or not?

Anyone we says I'm not can go **** himself.

 

[chevyguy]

The profundity of being instructed as if it were a new discovery what most of us learned by the time we were in kindergarten.

And the recommendations are safety guidelines are put on a continuous loop on every radio station. Like we have to be reminded everyday.

 

[J Galt]

And the recommendations are safety guidelines are put on a continuous loop on every radio station. Like we have to be reminded everyday.

 

[chipbennett]

Not during a pandemic, you have a duty to your fellow citizens. "I can do whatever I wants" side lost this argument long ago in pandemics. I know it is inconvenient for you. You may have no desire to do it. I get it.

However, you have a duty not to be reckless. You should respect the rights of others and not be reckless. This applies to you behind the wheel, at the firing line and during a pandemic.

Still waiting for any actual evidence to support the otherwise specious claim that an ostensibly healthy, non-symptomatic person who is merely breathing sans mask is in any way acting recklessly.

 

[chipbennett]

It is a pandemic. Everyone is assumed infectious and you calculate risk from there.

We are almost through this. There is no reason to screw this up because someone wants to make a political statement.

That may work from a political perspective; it's not how science works.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Still waiting for any actual evidence to support the otherwise specious claim that an ostensibly healthy, non-symptomatic person who is merely breathing sans mask is in any way acting recklessly.

You learned about Typhoid Mary in 8th Grade health class. You know that "healthy, asymptomatic" persons can spread Covid-19 just as other viruses.

We should not place politics above science and give in to right or left wing cult politics. Wear a mask, or face shield, don't lick door knobs and wash your hands. If India does not boil over, we are close to getting this behind us.

The truth about COVID-19 and asymptomatic spread: It’s common, so wear a mask and avoid large gatherings

Asymptomatic spread has been one of the most mysterious and haunting aspects of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. Here is the truth.

www.uchealth.org

 

[Kirk Freeman]

That may work from a political perspective; it's not how science works.

You have it inverted.

 

[MCgrease08]

You learned about Typhoid Mary in 8th Grade health class. You know that "healthy, asymptomatic" persons can spread Covid-19 just as other viruses.

We should not place politics above science and give in to right or left wing cult politics. Wear a mask, or face shield, don't lick door knobs and wash your hands. If India does not boil over, we are close to getting this behind us.

The truth about COVID-19 and asymptomatic spread: It’s common, so wear a mask and avoid large gatherings

Asymptomatic spread has been one of the most mysterious and haunting aspects of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. Here is the truth.

www.uchealth.org

Nothing screams science like "probably relatively common."

“What’s the rate for asymptomatic people to spread the virus to someone else? That’s a separate question, which is even more difficult to get at,” Beckham said.

Over time, researchers will learn much more. For now, Beckham said there have been some small studies looking at testing and contact tracing.

“There’s no question that people who are infected but don’t have symptoms are transmitting the virus,” Beckham said. “It’s probably relatively common as a mechanism of spread.”

 

[NKBJ]

A year ago the CDC arbitrarily dismissed studies showing masks to be ineffective. The started their own study. A month or so ago they released their results, on a Sunday afternoon, arriving at the same conclusion that mask usage generated results between zero and insignificant. Monday morning, i heard several CDC announcements doubling down on pushing masks.

What would you discern from this?

Uh, that people think covid vaccines were supposed to keep you from getting the bug? Oh, never mind, that was a different propagenda item.

 

[SwikLS]

 

[chipbennett]

You learned about Typhoid Mary in 8th Grade health class. You know that "healthy, asymptomatic" persons can spread Covid-19 just as other viruses.

We should not place politics above science and give in to right or left wing cult politics. Wear a mask, or face shield, don't lick door knobs and wash your hands. If India does not boil over, we are close to getting this behind us.

The truth about COVID-19 and asymptomatic spread: It’s common, so wear a mask and avoid large gatherings

Asymptomatic spread has been one of the most mysterious and haunting aspects of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. Here is the truth.

www.uchealth.org

A. Salmonella, a bacteria, is nothing like Coronavirus, a virus. Transmission and transmissibility of bacteria and of viruses are not the same. CoV is not spread in feces and urine of carriers; rather, it is spread through respiratory symptoms (namely, sneezing and coughing).

B. Typhoid Mary was a known carrier, and a known spreader, of Typhoid fever. As a cook, she was in close contact with the families to whom she spread the disease, and left her feces and urine in their houses.

Surely, you can do better than this.

 

[chipbennett]

You have it inverted.

"Everyone is assumed infectious" is a political, not a scientific, premise.

The null hypothesis is that a given person is not infected.

 

[chipbennett]

It appears that in spite of hundreds of documented cases streaming across the border in Arizona and Texas the States without mask mandates are doing better than the mandate States.

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In the name of being as objective as possible, I am compelled to point out that this graphic is the epitome of cherry-picking. Show all of the mandate states, and all of the non-mandate states. Then compare.

 

[nonobaddog]

A. Salmonella, a bacteria, is nothing like Coronavirus, a virus. Transmission and transmissibility of bacteria and of viruses are not the same. CoV is not spread in feces and urine of carriers; rather, it is spread through respiratory symptoms (namely, sneezing and coughing).

B. Typhoid Mary was a known carrier, and a known spreader, of Typhoid fever. As a cook, she was in close contact with the families to whom she spread the disease, and left her feces and urine in their houses.

Surely, you can do better than this.

Past evidence and experience leads me to doubt if better is on the table.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

A. Salmonella, a bacteria, is nothing like Coronavirus, a virus. Transmission and transmissibility of bacteria and of viruses are not the same. CoV is not spread in feces and urine of carriers; rather, it is spread through respiratory symptoms (namely, sneezing and coughing).

B. Typhoid Mary was a known carrier, and a known spreader, of Typhoid fever. As a cook, she was in close contact with the families to whom she spread the disease, and left her feces and urine in their houses.

Surely, you can do better than this.

Oh, dear God, we cannot use analogies on INGO because of what now? Mother. Of. Pearl.

Some people are infected and do not show signs thus when inside and we cannot distance, we wear masks to reduce the risk.

One's politics cannot undermine the Germ Theory of Disease but this is exactly what is transpiring.

I just hope this is ending.

 

[chipbennett]

Oh, dear God, we cannot use analogies on INGO because of what now? Mother. Of. Pearl.

Some people are infected and do not show signs thus when inside and we cannot distance, we wear masks to reduce the risk.

One's politics cannot undermine the Germ Theory of Disease but this is exactly what is transpiring.

I just hope this is ending.

True. Unfortunately, you're the one engaging in it. You use a term such as "Germ Theory of Disease", but have shown no evidence that you actually understand the term you're using.

Viruses are not bacteria, and vice versa. Bacterial diseases are not viral diseases, and vice versa. In terms of appropriate response to minimize transmission, one cannot make a valid "analogy" between Typhoid Fever and Covid-19.

Heck, not even all viruses can be lumped together, since some are spread through (symptomatic) respiratory droplets (such as CoV2), others are spread through (symptomatic) skin contact (e.g. Herpes), and yet others are spread (asymptomatically) through feces (e.g. Polio), blood (HIV, hepatitis, etc.), or other direct bodily-fluid exchange (e.g. STDs).

You could potentially draw an analogy between Salmonella Typhus and Poliovirus (both are transmitted orally through contact with infected feces) - but not between Salmonella Typhus and CoV2.