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  • GodFearinGunTotin

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    The tech shows the real time energy use and costs based on my power source. Savings compared to avg gas price at the time of charge.
    Not that it would even the score probably but I‘ve noticed many if not all of these comparisons use premium fuel costs as the basis for comparison. While I know there are cars out there that require premium and some people believe it is better for their cars that don’t require it, I’ve never owned a car or truck that required premium gas. This seems like a ploy to make the savings more than they really are.
     

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    Not that it would even the score probably but I‘ve noticed many if not all of these comparisons use premium fuel costs as the basis for comparison. While I know there are cars out there that require premium and some people believe it is better for their cars that don’t require it, I’ve never owned a car or truck that required premium gas. This seems like a ploy to make the savings more than they really are.
    It's been almost 15 years since I drove a car that didn't.
     

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    The cost of the charger is not in that calculation, and it is significant.
    Not being pro or anti, but BOTH sides of the argument should include ALL contributions.
    AN ICE vehicle does not pay for the charger/pump.

    Now, stating that, I would also argue, that the cost of the pump will go down, as the car is used and the $ per kwh is averaged over a longer time.




    Similar to the septic pumps installed in my (and other) subdivisions.
    Regular users don't pay for the pumps in the system at the substations, the town does.
    The user does pay, through taxes, but then EVERYONE pays for them.
    With the septic pump, I got the fun of paying for the pump and installation.
    And when the pump went out, I got to pay for the new pump.
    And I still pay the tax for the city pumps in the regular septic systems the town has.
    I consider the charger to be more a part of the cost of the car.

    They should also add standard maintenance costs to the ICE vehicles.
     

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    It's been almost 15 years since I drove a car that didn't.
    I’m not even sure which cars require it. I’m thinking they’re in the minority. Maybe they can justify it in these comparisons because the people the drive EVs are also the ones they drive cars that require premium.
     

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    I’m not even sure which cars require it. I’m thinking they’re in the minority. Maybe they can justify it in these comparisons because the people the drive EVs are also the ones they drive cars that require premium.
    They are definitely in the minority. Generally performance cars and some luxury cars with bigger engines.

    I have not seen a comparison using Premium prices though. Generally they just use an average price. You can go to any of the EV websites and do a calculation with your numbers. For instance for me today.
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    That gas price would be low for me and the electric cost is a little high, but it only does whole cents so I rounded up.
     

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    I have not seen a comparison using Premium prices though.
    I have. Percolator said his comparison said it compared charging to premium. Just going by what I’ve seen on YouTube and places like here. Maybe I’m seeing the outliers.
     

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    I consider the charger to be more a part of the cost of the car.

    They should also add standard maintenance costs to the ICE vehicles.
    okay.
    Then look at maintenance costs.
    Electric cars are not cheap to fix.
    So, you'd have to look at 'breaks more often' vs 'costs more to fix'
     

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    The vehicle calculates it based on the power source .12 is the avg.
    19k miles give or take
    avg premium gas price
    I’m curious what it’s using as mpg equivalent for those numbers. At 19k mikes my little shitbox would have used $1475 in fuel at $3/ gal average and it cost $5k. Even figuring one of the cheaper $30k vehicles it’s going to take 779k miles to make up the difference over my gasser.
     

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    I’m curious what it’s using as mpg equivalent for those numbers. At 19k mikes my little shitbox would have used $1475 in fuel at $3/ gal average and it cost $5k. Even figuring one of the cheaper $30k vehicles it’s going to take 779k miles to make up the difference over my gasser.
    Miles driven vs kwh charged would be my guess.

    Comparing a used ICE to a new EV?
     

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    Miles driven vs kwh charged would be my guess.

    Comparing a used ICE to a new EV?
    Ok, we can compare a new ice to new ev. Cars we were looking at were the Niro and what we bought, the Seltos. Seltos averages 34mpg with the wife’s terrible aggressive driving and runs on reg unleaded. Niro ev is $45k. Seltos was $25k. Using the previous numbers of $858 for an ev charge costs for 19k miles, it will take 380k miles to recoup those costs. Even running 25k miles a year that’s 15 years to break even with the ice.
     

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    Ok, we can compare a new ice to new ev. Cars we were looking at were the Niro and what we bought, the Seltos. Seltos averages 34mpg with the wife’s terrible aggressive driving and runs on reg unleaded. Niro ev is $45k. Seltos was $25k. Using the previous numbers of $858 for an ev charge costs for 19k miles, it will take 380k miles to recoup those costs. Even running 25k miles a year that’s 15 years to break even with the ice.
    When I bought my Ford Escape, I crunched the numbers for different mileage/year, for the ICE Escape, and the hybrid Escape.
    I forget the exact numbers, but it was something like 10-12 years.
    And the hybrid version only had a 1,000 lb towing limit. Not much after you subtract the weight of the trailer.
    Not that I needed much, just figured it's too little.
    Especially when adding a passenger subtracts off your towing weight.
     

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    I thought we were calculating the cost of fuels, which is for a lifetime.
    Lifetime for who? I haven't kept a car more than four years for my last four. Like I said, I have had one repair bill, which was last month for those chewed on wires. During the same visit I spent more on standard maintenance, oil, filters, and fluid replacements.

    Regular costs for driving are fuel and maintenance. Tires and brakes are needed for both, so they can be left off.
     

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    Yeah, unless (like me) you drive your vehicles until they're spent. My 2011 Hyundai (10 year/100k warranty) is no longer under warranty.
    Then I would probably not buy an EV in your case. Right now it would cost you a lot to replace the batteries when the time came.
     
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