The Real Costs of Electric Car Ownership - CNET

[GodFearinGunTotin]

GM delays EV production ramp over battery supply

Some of the models emphasized in GM's "EVs for Everyone" ad campaign, like the Blazer EV and Equinox EV, might not be widely available as soon as earlier anticipated, the company explained last week.

www.greencarreports.com

 

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[JCSR]

Some day everyone will have one in their garage.

Gibson Performance Exhaust on Instagram: "Go electric they said, it will be fun they said !?! . Scary moments at Sema, An electric vehicle catching on fire in one of the halls !! . #sema #ElectricVehicle #Fire #LipoFire"

Gibson Performance Exhaust shared a post on Instagram: "Go electric they said, it will be fun they said !?! . Scary moments at Sema, An electric vehicle catching on fire in one of the halls !! . #sema #ElectricVehicle #Fire #LipoFire". Follow their account to see 1946 posts.

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[JCSR]

The blaze was sparked by a “lithium-ion battery connected to a micromobility device,” FDNY Commissioner Laura Kavanagh said at a Saturday press conference.

Such devices include e-bikes and scooters.

FDNY officials said they recovered at least five bikes from the apartment where the blaze started and the fire was “right behind the front door.”

38 people hurt, two seriously, in high-rise blaze on NYC’s East 52nd Street

Twenty people were hurt — two of them seriously — in a fire that had residents hanging out of the windows of an East 52nd Street apartment building early Saturday, the FDNY said.

nypost.com

 

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[actaeon277]

EV Makers Are Quietly Switching to a Battery Type That Has Even Less Driving Range

The soaring costs for EV batteries is driving producers to use Chinese batteries that give cars a shorter driving range.

www.westernjournal.com

 

[JCSR]

Perfectly normal, happens all the time..........

Tesla bursts into flames on Pennsylvania highway

The Morris Township Volunteer Fire battled the fierce flames and smoke for two hours due to the Tesla’s lithium-ion battery.

nypost.com

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Perfectly normal, happens all the time..........

Tesla bursts into flames on Pennsylvania highway

The Morris Township Volunteer Fire battled the fierce flames and smoke for two hours due to the Tesla’s lithium-ion battery.

nypost.com

I know regular, ICE type vehicles catch fire too. But there are far, far more of them on the road. Wonder what the comparative rates of fires are?

 

[actaeon277]

I know regular, ICE type vehicles catch fire too. But there are far, far more of them on the road. Wonder what the comparative rates of fires are?

The difference is also the amount required to extinguish it.
These are much worse.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

The difference is also the amount required to extinguish it.
These are much worse.

Yep. Metal fires are bad.

 

[KLB]

I know regular, ICE type vehicles catch fire too. But there are far, far more of them on the road. Wonder what the comparative rates of fires are?

Report shows EV fires are different to internal combustion but not more dangerous

Alongside the general concerns that prevent drivers from switching from an Internal combustion engine (ICE) to a battery electric vehicle,

www.whichev.net

Also, as we look more specifically to a single manufacturer such as Tesla, we can see that fires are an unlikely event. Tesla's Vehicle Fire Data provided for the period 2012-2020 reveals that there has been about one vehicle fire for every 205 million miles travelled.

That's over 10-times more miles than the average distance between fires than in the case of the national average of 19 million miles in the U.S., according to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) and U.S. Department of Transportation.

 

[Ingomike]

Report shows EV fires are different to internal combustion but not more dangerous

Alongside the general concerns that prevent drivers from switching from an Internal combustion engine (ICE) to a battery electric vehicle,

www.whichev.net

I love how they compare the undisputed top of the line luxury electric vehicle to all vehicles…

 

[KLB]

I love how they compare the undisputed top of the line luxury electric vehicle to all vehicles…

How about another source with a different study

A new study has some surprising findings on car fires

A new analysis from an auto insurance company compared rates of fires among EVs, combustion-engine cars, and hybrids. These are the results.

www.popsci.com

A recent report by an online car insurance marketplace, AutoinsuranceEZ, shed some light on the issue, although it’s likely not to be the last word on the topic. Researchers at the company analyzed data from the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), and to account for the fact that the numbers of combustion-engine cars and EVs on the roads are vastly different, they factored in the car sales of different vehicle types. The resulting analysis found that per 100,000 cars sold in each category, electric vehicles had the lowest number of fires. Hybrid vehicles had the highest risk ratio for fire, and traditional cars were in the middle.

I'm not sure why it would be hard to believe that a vehicle with a flammable liquid might be more likely to catch on fire.

Plus Teslas are by far the most common EV on the road, so that is where the stats are going to be.

 

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I love how they compare the undisputed top of the line luxury electric vehicle to all vehicles…

Tesla is the most prolific EV manufacturer in the US, with market share of over 68% of all EVs as of August 2022. So yes, it makes sense to compare them with all other gas vehicles.

Tesla (TSLA) still dominates US electric car market with 68% market share

Tesla is still dominating the US electric car market, now with a 68% market share. This share is going down...

electrek.co

As far as "top of the line luxury electric vehicle," you've obviously never been in a Tesla. The high price has nothing to do with luxury. My 2007 Dodge Charger had better fit and finish, and holy **** that is saying something.

 

[actaeon277]

Seems a pretty fair discussion.

One of the things he brings up, what's gonna happen when the gov't is no longer making taxes off gas.
Well, it's going to go to electricity. And evaporate all the money you thought you were saving.

 

[KLB]

Seems a pretty fair discussion.

One of the things he brings up, what's gonna happen when the gov't is no longer making taxes off gas.
Well, it's going to go to electricity. And evaporate all the money you thought you were saving.

The "solution" I've seen so far is to tax a car per mile driven. Of course that means they have to actually be able to keep track of how many miles you drive every year.

 

[Ingomike]

The "solution" I've seen so far is to tax a car per mile driven. Of course that means they have to actually be able to keep track of how many miles you drive every year.

And just like that, a little more freedom is gone…

 

[KLB]

And just like that, a little more freedom is gone…

Yep.

 

[Ingomike]

I have come to understand that energy is freedom. Without energy freedom ends. We fight the restrictions they wish to place on guns, as we should, but we should also fight to preserve energy that allows unfettered freedom.

I will assure you, wind, solar, and EV’s are not about freedom…

 

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Seems a pretty fair discussion.

One of the things he brings up, what's gonna happen when the gov't is no longer making taxes off gas.
Well, it's going to go to electricity. And evaporate all the money you thought you were saving.

Facepalm moment; I can't believe that I never thought of this. Indiana is among the states that charges an additional annual fee to register EVs and hybrids ($150 for EV, $50 for hybrids the last I heard). And really, I get it.

Edit: And of course, that tax is going to be paid by everyone, including us schmucks who can't or won't buy an EV and just want to keep our milk from spoiling.