The Insane "Social Justice" Thread pt IV

[jamil]

I think most people are fed up with cancel culture. But the woke twitteratti still do it. Dude got ratio'd. Given the old tweets they dug up on him, he's likely to get canceled himself.

 

[Kutnupe14]

No, the sad thing is why is....

Why are we holding a child responsible for a spoken moment in their teen years.
I'm betting that on any given day of any week of any year that there are millions of examples far worse. But yet here we are. I consider this almost as bad as "Revenge Porn" where a young woman's life is destroyed in the same way and manner.

Never too early to learn that actions have consequences. Unless someone can convince me she didn’t know saying that was wrong, I have zero issue with it, especially since the student who reported it had to endure this type of behavior for years, despite trying to bring it to the attention of the school district.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I think most people are fed up with cancel culture. But the woke twitteratti still do it. Dude got ratio'd. Given the old tweets they dug up on him, he's likely to get canceled himself.

“Most people?” Or the people mostly likely to lose their jobs, school choice, or customers because they’ve said or done something stupid?

 

[Kutnupe14]

Plus these kids buy into the rap culture thinking it is cool, and then act and speak like those songs and videos they like. They are then cancelled for not being of the proper skin tone to be able to do so.

Cutting a word out of context like that is ridiculous. Of course those partaking in the cancel culture feel context has no meaning, when in reality it means everything.

Sorry, but that is simply not true. Buying into rap culture isn’t the cause of that girl’s stupidity. And honestly, she isn’t stupid. There isn’t a white person in America, who is of sound mind, that doesn’t understand using that word is tenuous. That pretty much understood, even for white kids, early into grade school, certainly by the time one entered middle school.

 

[jamil]

“Most people?” Or the people mostly likely to lose their jobs, school choice, or customers because they’ve said or done something stupid?

No, I think literally "most people". Cancel culture has everyone afraid. I think they'd all like it to end even though some of the people who are afraid of it do it themselves.

I'll tell you what. Whatever stupid thing you said when you were a teenager, I forgive you. Okay? Most things said don't warrant being fired over. But because employers are afraid of the angry twitter mob, they capitulate.

Do you think Dan Campbell shouldn't get the Detroit Job because he said his school was a place where men like women and women like men in a locker room speech 20 years ago or whatever?

 

[jamil]

Never too early to learn that actions have consequences. Unless someone can convince me she didn’t know saying that was wrong, I have zero issue with it, especially since the student who reported it had to endure this type of behavior for years, despite trying to bring it to the attention of the school district.

Wait. Are you defending cancel culture?

 

[jamil]

Sorry, but that is simply not true. Buying into rap culture isn’t the cause of that girl’s stupidity. And honestly, she isn’t stupid. There isn’t a white person in America, who is of sound mind, that doesn’t understand using that word is tenuous. That pretty much understood, even for white kids, early into grade school, certainly by the time one entered middle school.

Should a white person who uses that word be "canceled"? Or do you think that's not "lesson" enough about consequences. Of a ****ing word.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Should a white person who uses that word be "canceled"? Or do you think that's not "lesson" enough about consequences. Of a ******* word.

Canceled? No. But if you’re caught, you’re going to have to deal with the consequences. So people better get better at not getting caught, or avoid doing the things that they know will put them in hot water.

 

[jamil]

Canceled? No. But if you’re caught, you’re going to have to deal with the consequences. So people better get better at not getting caught, or avoid doing the things that they know will put them in hot water.

What should those consequences be? You sound more like you condone the consequences she got. What should be the punishment for a white person saying the word in the same context, intending the same useage that a black person would?

Or, would it be better for people to just start being honest about that word? It obviously has a new meaning, a new usage. So now, I think either no one should use it if we're going to insist it always has to have the traditional offensive meaning, or it's meaning is now changed such that anyone can use it for that new meaning. I'd kinda rather the former. But in the context of the latter, at this point, the cultural permission for its use now is kinda racist. I think the people who perpetuate that disparity should stop being racists, if people insist on continuing its use.

 

[actaeon277]

Juvenile breaks a law, gets treated different because, too young.
Juvenile says something stupid, hold it over their head the rest of their life cause.. that's different

 

[KLB]

Sorry, but that is simply not true. Buying into rap culture isn’t the cause of that girl’s stupidity. And honestly, she isn’t stupid. There isn’t a white person in America, who is of sound mind, that doesn’t understand using that word is tenuous. That pretty much understood, even for white kids, early into grade school, certainly by the time one entered middle school.

I have to call on this. Kids of all colors and backgrounds buy into that "culture". Yet it's only OK if your skin is of a certain color?

Context should matter. Was she denigrating someone with what she said? If yes, she has a lesson to learn. If no, the only lesson to learn is how nasty people can be. The fact that the video was edited to just the one word, taking all context out of it is a good indication of how stupid this is. The full context would not have generated the proper outrage, and the "offended" party knew it.

 

[Doug]

Well, the difference is my son and I have forgiven the non-Caucasian student who called him albino, cracker, and honky, and spat on him for being white. (When it was reported to the school officials, they suggested my son go to anger management classes.)
THERE IS NO FORGIVENESS, EVER, for anyone who uses "that" word who isn't approved to use it.
This also extends to any word which may be thought to be somewhat related or may, in whole or in part, sound like a restricted word. This includes a word of Scandinavian origin meaning "stingy" and a term for a sprightly Irish dance.

It is the way of the world for the foreseeable future.
Ignore this warning at your peril.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I have to call on this. Kids of all colors and backgrounds buy into that "culture". Yet it's only OK if your skin is of a certain color?

Context should matter. Was she denigrating someone with what she said? If yes, she has a lesson to learn. If no, the only lesson to learn is how nasty people can be. The fact that the video was edited to just the one word, taking all context out of it is a good indication of how stupid this is. The full context would not have generated the proper outrage, and the "offended" party knew it.

I have to call on this. Kids of all colors and backgrounds buy into that "culture". Yet it's only OK if your skin is of a certain color?

Context should matter. Was she denigrating someone with what she said? If yes, she has a lesson to learn. If no, the only lesson to learn is how nasty people can be. The fact that the video was edited to just the one word, taking all context out of it is a good indication of how stupid this is. The full context would not have generated the proper outrage, and the "offended" party knew it.

She used the hard “R.” That ain’t how it’s done in the “culture” you’re speaking off. That phonetic difference is often the difference between someone rolling their eyes or them taking issue.

 

[Doug]

Well, the difference is my son and I have forgiven the non-Caucasian student who called him albino, cracker, and honky, and spat on him for being white. (When it was reported to the school officials, they suggested my son go to anger management classes.)
THERE IS NO FORGIVENESS, EVER, for anyone who uses "that" word who isn't approved to use it.
This also extends to any word which may be thought to be somewhat related or may, in whole or in part, sound like a restricted word. This includes a word of Scandinavian origin meaning "stingy" and a term for a sprightly Irish dance.

It is the way of the world for the foreseeable future.
Ignore this warning at your peril.

I wish the post above wasn't so true.

Our Pastor just gave a sermon talking about Martin Luther King. I believe he would have forgiven the girl who used the racial remark.

I guess some need to "get even" or get vengeance before they can accept coming together. I don't think "getting even" is forgiveness.

I can't do anything about those who can't or won't forgive past injustices. I can only do all I can to treat every person with respect and dignity.

 

[buckwacker]

Sorry, but that is simply not true. Buying into rap culture isn’t the cause of that girl’s stupidity. And honestly, she isn’t stupid. There isn’t a white person in America, who is of sound mind, that doesn’t understand using that word is tenuous. That pretty much understood, even for white kids, early into grade school, certainly by the time one entered middle school.

Have you ever uttered the word?

 

[buckwacker]

She used the hard “R.” That ain’t how it’s done in the “culture” you’re speaking off. That phonetic difference is often the difference between someone rolling their eyes or them taking issue.

 

[phylodog]

Here's an idea about how to fight against woke ideology. It's not my idea, it came from James Lindsey during a conversation with a woman who describes herself as "deprogrammed". The solution: don't fight it. Leave.

In your workplace, school/college/university, in your church, wherever you start hearing the buzzwords and language of insane social justice, when it has infected people to the extent that the purpose has now become purely anti-racist goals (by that I don't mean merely being not racist, but their definition) don't fight it. Leave. Leave the institution to fail on its own, which it probably will eventually after all the sane people are gone.

In the conversation James Lindsey was talking about the thousands of emails he's received since George Floyd's death. People talking about how work is now all about social justice. In one email a scientist wrote him and said his colleague told him that he doesn't see the point of working on projects when the real work should be anti-racism. They should just focus on that. Lindsey told him to leave and start up a company that competes with his former company and don't let any of that woke bull**** in. Eventually the "woke" company will not be able to compete. Well, non-compete agreements notwithstanding, the idea would work. It works in schools. Evergreen comes to mind. They've been bleeding enrollments since all that **** happened with Bret Weinstein leaving. Brain drain. If organizations lose all the sane people they can't survive. They'll either have to recognize the folly and correct it, or they can just ride that ideological ship all the way to the bottom of the ocean.

I just rewatched Divergent with my wife last night. Wokeness and the identity movement is a lot like that movie, at least the first movie. Later, they inject a drug that turns people into mindless drones, but divergent people aren't susceptible. I see people all around succumbing to the insanity, but it doesn't affect everyone. Some people, for whatever reason, appear to be immune to it. And then the drones turn on us. Even our own friends and family, unless we pretend to be woke too.

In the movie, divergent people have the attributes of all the factions, not just one of the factions. I'm not saying a movie proves a theory. Just that it kinda explains the theory. Okay, so if there's anything to Jonathan Heidt's moral foundations theory, maybe the people who are most susceptible to indoctrination have only developed one or two moral foundations, where people who tend not to be susceptible have developed all or most. I think conservatives are pretty immune because they tend to have been raised with a keen sense of reciprocity fairness (you earn your way, personal responsibility, reap what you sow, etcetera).

I wish this would work. Unfortunately the idea relies on businesses or organizations failing due to lack of woke employees or members. That may have been a possibility a year ago, maybe even a month ago. Now? You can bet our new government will step in and make sure everything woke survives and everything not woke is attacked. They'll tax (shove IRS agents up their ___), regulate, conspire with lenders to shut out anything even remotely conservative. We already know what is going to be allowed or not on social media.

I still believe we have more conservatives than liberals in this country but the conservatives aren't willing to sacrifice what they've worked for to stand behind what they believe. The left doesn't have this problem, they expect to be coddled and taken care of by their government so they have to give up nothing and their leaders are more than happy to buy their loyalty with money earned by others. Fortunately, some day the liberals will achieve their goal of stripping every (caucasian) citizen of what they worked for (we didn't build that). Doesn't matter if they aren't racist, doesn't matter if they've had a job for 50 years, doesn't matter if they sacrificed and saved to better their situation, doesn't matter if they risked everything to build a business nor does it matter if they hire 100% minorities. The left has decided everything we have we were given as a result of oppressing others and being given income, jobs, homes, loans, etc simply because we're white.

 

[IndyBeerman]

She used the hard “R.” That ain’t how it’s done in the “culture” you’re speaking off. That phonetic difference is often the difference between someone rolling their eyes or them taking issue.

Evidently you need to get out more.

In my 32 years (1981-2013) in the Soft Drink/Chip & Beer delivery business I heard the HARD R version as much or more, along with being called every name in the book because I was not of color and I wasn't giving free "samples".

 

[Kutnupe14]

Have you ever uttered the word?

Absolutely

 

[Kutnupe14]

Evidently you need to get out more.

In my 32 years (1981-2013) in the Soft Drink/Chip & Beer delivery business I heard the HARD R version as much or more, along with being called every name in the book because I was not of color and I wasn't giving free "samples".

Yeah, don’t believe that. I’m saying it my head, and it just doesn’t work in the way you’re saying. That or you dealt with a bunch of very eloquent sample seekers.