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  • drillsgt

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    Iran just sent their Ambassador to the UN to the US with 7 preconditions to US for renewal of the nuclear deal.

    First, Iran would demand that the US implement all aspects of the deal, including the full lifting of sanctions, if it wants to re-enter the accords.

    Secondly, any disagreements over the accords must be discussed within the framework of the official negotiating committees. One of these anticipated disagreements is Tehran’s demand for compensation for financial losses it incurred due to the Trump administration’s exit from the deal, notably the financial impact of the sanctions.

    The third condition was said to be that Tehran will not accept linkage between the nuclear deal and other issues, including its missile program and activities throughout the Middle East.

    The fourth demand was reportedly that Iran will not accept any new members into the deal beyond the P5+1, including any Gulf Arab states.

    Fifthly, any issues involving other regional states must be discussed separately, and not as part of the nuclear talks.

    The sixth point was said to be that while Iran will not discuss its missile program, it is open to talking about regional arms control under the supervision of the United Nations and was said to be especially concerned about Israeli missiles and nuclear weapons.

    Finally, Iran will not accept a two-state solution for Israel and the Palestinians, and insists on a UN referendum of Palestinians and Jewish Israelis on “land.” There were no further details given on the content of the potential referendum.

    Source: https://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-...conditions-to-us-for-renewal-of-nuclear-deal/
    What President would ever agree to those conditions?
     

    Kutnupe14

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    I don't disagree. Does Iran have strong enough allies to persuade the US not to attack them? (serious question, I have no idea who likes Iran).
    Both Russia and China back Iran, as they don’t want the US to have as strong a foothold in the region as we currently do. I won’t go so far to call them “friends,” but they have an interest in keeping Iran intact.
     

    JeepHammer

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    I’d be surprised if we go to war, beyond proxies, with Iran. Iran, regardless of what anyone thinks, seems to be a rational actor. Their leaders, today, a well less radical than what we saw in the 80s, and were almost some 40 years beyond that. The most likely scenario for a military confrontation, is then obtaining the bomb, outsourcing it to a terrorist, and then blowing up someplace. If it’s traced back to Iran, then things will get hot. The is, will Iran want to take that risk?

    I would agree with that assessment.

    Iran & North Korea test every new President, this one will be no different.

    Nothing more than hemorrhoids as world players, but they will make propaganda lapped up by the far right...

    In the mean time, we will get more of the same people (96% reelection rate) that have driven this country into the ground over the last 40 years...

    The far right will continue to divide the country into as many sects as possible,
    The far left won't agree on anything, including the time of day,
    And the average person will continue to work their butts off trying to get ahead with a deck increasingly stacked against them.

    Meanwhile, the corporate oligarchs will continue to concentrate power & wealth at the top.
    Same story, different day...
     

    rooster

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    Iran just sent their Ambassador to the UN to the US with 7 preconditions to US for renewal of the nuclear deal.

    First, Iran would demand that the US implement all aspects of the deal, including the full lifting of sanctions, if it wants to re-enter the accords.

    Secondly, any disagreements over the accords must be discussed within the framework of the official negotiating committees. One of these anticipated disagreements is Tehran’s demand for compensation for financial losses it incurred due to the Trump administration’s exit from the deal, notably the financial impact of the sanctions.

    The third condition was said to be that Tehran will not accept linkage between the nuclear deal and other issues, including its missile program and activities throughout the Middle East.

    The fourth demand was reportedly that Iran will not accept any new members into the deal beyond the P5+1, including any Gulf Arab states.

    Fifthly, any issues involving other regional states must be discussed separately, and not as part of the nuclear talks.

    The sixth point was said to be that while Iran will not discuss its missile program, it is open to talking about regional arms control under the supervision of the United Nations and was said to be especially concerned about Israeli missiles and nuclear weapons.

    Finally, Iran will not accept a two-state solution for Israel and the Palestinians, and insists on a UN referendum of Palestinians and Jewish Israelis on “land.” There were no further details given on the content of the potential referendum.

    Source: https://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-...conditions-to-us-for-renewal-of-nuclear-deal/
    Iran’s inability to accept a two state solution and desire to have Israel’s not so secret nuke program under UN control will be what heats this party up.

    remember Biden doesn’t have to start the war but I don’t expect the powers pulling the puppet strings will allow Israel and Iran to start a hot war without the US getting involved.
     

    rooster

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    Revenge for US assassination of General Soleimani certain​


    "The website of Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei has posted a photo-montage of former US President Donald Trump playing golf under the shadow of a drone, vowing to avenge the assassination of Iran’s Lieutenant General Qassem Soleimani."

    Iranian News source

    Link to the actual website

    What do you think happens if Iran assasinates a former president?
     

    phylodog

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    Revenge for US assassination of General Soleimani certain​


    "The website of Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei has posted a photo-montage of former US President Donald Trump playing golf under the shadow of a drone, vowing to avenge the assassination of Iran’s Lieutenant General Qassem Soleimani."

    Iranian News source

    Link to the actual website

    What do you think happens if Iran assasinates a former president?
    Not a thing unless another conservative is elected, possibly nothing then either. The current administration would deny him the funeral former Presidents have received.
     

    OakRiver

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    Revenge for US assassination of General Soleimani certain​


    "The website of Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei has posted a photo-montage of former US President Donald Trump playing golf under the shadow of a drone, vowing to avenge the assassination of Iran’s Lieutenant General Qassem Soleimani."

    Iranian News source

    Link to the actual website

    What do you think happens if Iran assasinates a former president?

    I think that a lot of people will show their true selves.
     

    smittygj

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    Revenge for US assassination of General Soleimani certain​


    "The website of Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei has posted a photo-montage of former US President Donald Trump playing golf under the shadow of a drone, vowing to avenge the assassination of Iran’s Lieutenant General Qassem Soleimani."

    Iranian News source

    Link to the actual website

    What do you think happens if Iran assasinates a former president?
    And in response Twitter "suspended" Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei's twitter account....
     

    Kutnupe14

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    Revenge for US assassination of General Soleimani certain​


    "The website of Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei has posted a photo-montage of former US President Donald Trump playing golf under the shadow of a drone, vowing to avenge the assassination of Iran’s Lieutenant General Qassem Soleimani."

    Iranian News source

    Link to the actual website

    What do you think happens if Iran assasinates a former president?
    After it’s proven? More than likely a midnight bombing run that razes half the Capitol of govt and military sites. And yes, I think Joe signs off on it.
     

    TangoFoxtrot

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    When the people they voted for blatantly turn on them you'll see some light bulbs come on. Unfortunately at that point I fear the problems won't be easily corrected.
    My thought/fear as well.. more for my children I am afraid of what they will be subjected to.
    I think a good place to start is if we can get constitutional conservatives.. especially business owners and 2A supporters to move into friendly states and in essence defund the liberal cess pools, they would collapse under the weight of their own taxation and I think when these "enlightened" liberals are left paying their own bill, they may open their eyes.. if the constitutional movement was coordinated enough they could become self sufficient and even move to a alternate currency that the feds could not get their hands on.

    Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk
     

    buckwacker

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    What makes that action irrational? Was there a severe penalty associated with that act? States do what they can get away with, and avoid things that they can’t. That makes them rational. When they simply don’t care, and are willing to accept the penalties which ultimately may threaten the existence of a particular govt or regime, then the action is irrational.
    So Nazi Germany was rational? They did what they could get away with a 10 million Jews were killed. Please enlighten us.
     

    buckwacker

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    Revenge for US assassination of General Soleimani certain​


    "The website of Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei has posted a photo-montage of former US President Donald Trump playing golf under the shadow of a drone, vowing to avenge the assassination of Iran’s Lieutenant General Qassem Soleimani."

    Iranian News source

    Link to the actual website

    What do you think happens if Iran assasinates a former president?
    I wonder if they still have their Twitter account?
     

    thompal

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    So Nazi Germany was rational? They did what they could get away with a 10 million Jews were killed. Please enlighten us.

    You forget that up to a certain point in time, Germany was able to get away with whatever they wanted. England agreed to appeasement. Stalin signed a non-aggression pact (which also rewarded Germany with half of Czechoslovakia). Mexico was selling them oil.

    So, until France and England finally declared war, what price did Germany pay?
     

    Kutnupe14

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    You forget that up to a certain point in time, Germany was able to get away with whatever they wanted. England agreed to appeasement. Stalin signed a non-aggression pact (which also rewarded Germany with half of Czechoslovakia). Mexico was selling them oil.

    So, until France and England finally declared war, what price did Germany pay?
    And that the Holocaust wasn’t well known until very late in the war. Hitler’s continued crusade to wipe out the Jews, at the detriment to the war effort, was indeed irrational.... and Nazi Germany was ultimately destroyed.
     

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