The 2020 General Election Thread II

[Phase2]

Sigh...

 

[KG1]

Sigh...

I wonder if he was part of Joe Biden's "most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in history" that he bragged about?

 

[jamil]

Did they "take it to court" when they decided about half of the work force didn't deserve to remain employed?

What has that to do with it? Governor’s have emergency powers granted to them by their state legislatures and their constitutions. When that power is exceeded, the remedy is to take it to court. In this case, a candidate alleges that there was voter fraud. The remedy for that is to take his evidence to court. That’s bow it works. So how do YOU think it works? Do you think that Trump’s lawyers can just have a press conference, make some claims, and then everyone should agree that Trump won the election? By what legal mechanism? The court of partisan opinions isn’t that mechanism. Bring the [STRIKE]Kraken[/STRIKE] to court. Have the lawyers from BOTH sides make their cases. And let the court decide.

In these cases so far Trump isn’t alleging that fraud happened. He is saying that through his lawyers in public. What they’re actually filing in the courts, from what I’ve seen so far, is a violation of the equal protection clause. That procedures were different for Republicans vs Democrats. The remedy they’re most often seeking is to block the votes from being certified.

That’s not helping his public image for half the country. They’ve been told that Trump is a threat to democracy itself, and the way he and his lawyers are behaving, only confirms that. The worst thing that could happen is for his lawsuits make it to the Supreme Court, the SCOTUS rules in a 5-4 decision that the states named in the lawsuits cannot certify the vote, so then Trump wins. That would be reasonably call into question Trump’s legitimacy as the POTUS for the next 4 years. But frankly, I don’t think we will have a president for the next 4 years that a decent majority of Americans view as legitimate.

 

[indyartisan]

American Thought Leaders interview with California Congressman and House Intelligence Committee Ranking Member Devin Nunes
on Big Tech censorship and the 2020 election.

https://rumble.com/vbato1-rep.-devi...den-team-is-putting-on-a-facade-that-the.html

 

[indyartisan]

Dan Bongino Show Friday 11/20/2020


https://rumble.com/vbaej1-ep.-1398-the-evidence-is-right-there-in-front-of-your-eyes-the-dan-bongino-.html

 

[Ingomike]

What has that to do with it? Governor’s have emergency powers granted to them by their state legislatures and their constitutions. When that power is exceeded, the remedy is to take it to court. In this case, a candidate alleges that there was voter fraud. The remedy for that is to take his evidence to court. That’s bow it works. So how do YOU think it works? Do you think that Trump’s lawyers can just have a press conference, make some claims, and then everyone should agree that Trump won the election? By what legal mechanism? The court of partisan opinions isn’t that mechanism. Bring the [STRIKE]Kraken[/STRIKE] to court. Have the lawyers from BOTH sides make their cases. And let the court decide.

In these cases so far Trump isn’t alleging that fraud happened. He is saying that through his lawyers in public. What they’re actually filing in the courts, from what I’ve seen so far, is a violation of the equal protection clause. That procedures were different for Republicans vs Democrats. The remedy they’re most often seeking is to block the votes from being certified.

That’s not helping his public image for half the country. They’ve been told that Trump is a threat to democracy itself, and the way he and his lawyers are behaving, only confirms that. The worst thing that could happen is for his lawsuits make it to the Supreme Court, the SCOTUS rules in a 5-4 decision that the states named in the lawsuits cannot certify the vote, so then Trump wins. That would be reasonably call into question Trump’s legitimacy as the POTUS for the next 4 years. But frankly, I don’t think we will have a president for the next 4 years that a decent majority of Americans view as legitimate.

This process is going along at a very predictable pace if one looks at where we are and what must be done. If a day or so after the election Barr stepped before the microphones and said there was massive fraud for democrats and the election and Trump won the election and the fraud goes all the way to Obama, can you imagine the response, the left would never believe it and neither would independents and center republicans.

There has been a battle going on to win the American people as to what happened and to get the information out so when it comes it will not be a shock. I believe Trump is winning in public opinion as evidenced by poll data showing 70% of republicans believe the election stolen and even 30% of democrats think the same. It is interesting that the dems and media are getting concerned that dominion and smartmatic are becoming common terms among the people.

You criticize the court cases but to date we have not seen any federal cases, (maybe one filed yesterday) just little stuff in democrat friendly local courts. There was some turmoil caused by the left going after the Trump legal team that surely slowed things. For perspective, after the Enron meltdown it was three and a half years to the indictment of Ken Lay. This is far bigger than Enron!

If if this is an elaborate hoax, some very successful respected legal pros have destroyed their reputations, these are people that, have no logical reason to destroy their positions.

 

[indyartisan]

Mike Pence walks out on the Press
the HodgeTwins (some nsfw language)

https://rumble.com/vbaq9t-mike-pence-walks-out-on-press.html

 

[indyartisan]

Columbia Journalism Review article on
How the Media abetted the Republican assault on mail-in voting.
from 10/2/2020
Trump’s Disinformation Campaign

https://www.cjr.org/analysis/trump-twitter-disinformation-voter-fraud-election.php

Submitted in case anyone would like to see a piece from “journalism’s” point of view.


note: partially funded by the Open Society Foundations.

 

[Ingomike]

If if this is an elaborate hoax, some very successful respected legal pros have destroyed their reputations, these are people that, have no logical reason to destroy their positions.

Here’s more from Sidney on the Howie Carr Show:

We have a lot of extremely solid cases… it’s terrifying… will file simultaneously… federal court lawsuits… roughly 7 million (votes removed from President Trump) … every means and measure of fraud … probably at least 10 million (Biden fraudulent votes)…
​

 

[indyartisan]

Excellent video by Attorney Leigh Dundas breaking down Trump’s 2018 Executive Order

Don’t miss it!


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p2MkvWh7poY

 

[terrehautian]

Interesting point someone made on another forum. Say Senator Sanders or Warren get selected to a Biden Cabinet position, a Republican Gov. will appoint someone to replace a democrat in the Senate.

 

[KG1]

Here’s more from Sidney on the Howie Carr Show:

We have a lot of extremely solid cases… it’s terrifying… will file simultaneously… federal court lawsuits… roughly 7 million (votes removed from President Trump) … every means and measure of fraud … probably at least 10 million (Biden fraudulent votes)…
​

A 17 million vote swing certainly is a lot to prove. If provable it definitely is enough to matter. I guess as you say they are staking their reputations on their claims that they have the proof. We shall see.

 

[indyartisan]

Louie Gohmert gets real on the election, Socialism and More!

https://rumble.com/vb7h8r-louie-gohmert-gets-real-on-the-election-socialism-and-more.html

 

[indyartisan]

Joe DiGenova from Trump’s legal team on the Joe Pags Show
discusses the current legal battles.


https://rumble.com/vb78o5-the-evidence-is-huge-joe-digenova.html

 

[Ingomike]

A 17 million vote swing certainly is a lot to prove. If provable it definitely is enough to matter. I guess as you say they are staking their reputations on their claims that they have the proof. We shall see.

Actually it is not a lot to prove, if one is thinking technologically, not physically. One of the funniest memes, that was lost, was the office space guys, that had set the program to just siphon off the minute percentages that were dropped in transactions. They were shocked when the beer money account had an enormous amount of money in it, enough to get them caught.

If indeed vote machine and tabulation software were compromised does anyone really believe that this election was the first run through? I certainly do not. Word is they used it in certain states to clinch easy for Obama, used it to to beat the Bernie bros twice, and that it has been used in Venezuela and Cuba to control election results. This technology is 20 years old and ripe to do the main event in the US. Some say it was created by the CIA.

Everyday more info on vulnerabilities of the vote systems come out, from centralized tabulation Internet connections checking in with the humans to approve results to simple connections in the machines that an app driven device could be connected to. Settings that allow fractional voting, and only displaying votes as percentages that allows vote changes without detection.

 

[KG1]

How many sworn affidavits did the Democrats have to present as evidence that Trump was colluding with the Russians to win the 2016 election? None that I can recall.

That did'nt stop them from putting the country thru hell with their unproven allegations for 3 1/2 years. Trumps legal team swears they have sworn affidavits of witnessed alleged fraud to present as evidence among other things.

The Left can now suck it while the Trump legal challenge for the 2020 election runs it's course.

 

[HoosierLife]

Is this Trump’s end game?

https://macris.substack.com/p/trump-at-the-rubicon

 

[KG1]

The Left and the MSM are crying that what Trump is doing is a threat to Democracy. You know what's an even bigger threat? The lack of integrity in our voting system.

Trump and his legal team are fighting for that integrity until the end. If no one continues to fight for it we will just turn into another banana republic. That's why I will give the Trump team time to present their case.

Democracy deserves it.

 

[indyartisan]

Is this Trump’s end game?

https://macris.substack.com/p/trump-at-the-rubicon

This is Trumps End Game


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p2MkvWh7poY

We should have enough of Soros and company’s assets to pay us all a bonus check.
We are America, we would rather shop than fight.

*added note: The C_A has 900+ Trillion dollars (Trillion with a T) in the Five Star Trust
Research it and you will learn the true scope of what is happening and what is at stake.

* added note: to get you started
https://www.slideshare.net/mobile/ernestrauthschild/five-star-trust-history

https://www.monkeywerxus.com/blog/five-star-trust

https://steemit.com/palnet/@richq11...or-pete-the-cia-drugs-and-the-new-world-order

 

[jamil]

This process is going along at a very predictable pace if one looks at where we are and what must be done. If a day or so after the election Barr stepped before the microphones and said there was massive fraud for democrats and the election and Trump won the election and the fraud goes all the way to Obama, can you imagine the response, the left would never believe it and neither would independents and center republicans.

There has been a battle going on to win the American people as to what happened and to get the information out so when it comes it will not be a shock. I believe Trump is winning in public opinion as evidenced by poll data showing 70% of republicans believe the election stolen and even 30% of democrats think the same. It is interesting that the dems and media are getting concerned that dominion and smartmatic are becoming common terms among the people.

You criticize the court cases but to date we have not seen any federal cases, (maybe one filed yesterday) just little stuff in democrat friendly local courts. There was some turmoil caused by the left going after the Trump legal team that surely slowed things. For perspective, after the Enron meltdown it was three and a half years to the indictment of Ken Lay. This is far bigger than Enron!

If if this is an elaborate hoax, some very successful respected legal pros have destroyed their reputations, these are people that, have no logical reason to destroy their positions.

I criticized the court cases because they deserve some criticism.

But it seems that you've changed the subject enough that I'd like to get back to it. You said...

There are so many irregularities in the vote count and tallies (not to mention physical vote fraud alleged in hundreds of affidavits) that only ignorant and willful deny the discrepancies, the media and social media are dedicated to maintaining the ignorance of the population.

We we shut the ****ing country down on a mathematical model (guess) so surely we can determine vote fraud by actual numbers and their impossibility mathematically...

I said we have to go through the courts to figure this out.

So then Tombs reiterated your reasoning for the shutdown. Well, obviously that's not relevant. What was done there was by rule of law, with some exceptions (the ***** in Michigan). In Indiana, the state legislature gave the governor the power to have emergency powers, and unfortunately, they were short-sighted about that. But he's not doing anything unconstitutional. The state granted him the power he's using.

So then we're left with how to deal with this mess through rule of law. We can't just use math as a mechanism to declare Trump the winner. Maybe that can be used as evidence in court. But it does not prove to the standards required that there was fraud. At most it only suggests something might be awry.