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  • edporch

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    I received a notice that I'm not contributing enough to the forums to be considered an active member and that my site supporter status has expired. When I went to pay my $20 I discovered that Paypal is now one of the options. (I didn't see that when I paid for my first year, I'm sure.)

    Paypal is rabidly anti-gun. They freeze the accounts of anyone using their service for firearm transactions.
    For many years I didn't become a site supporter because I thought I had to have a paypal account.

    I then realized I can pay with my credit card without having a paypal account.
    Some years back I posted about this realization, but I can't find the post.
     

    Bassat

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    You are supporting anti gun PayPal by giving them your money via fees. Probably around 90 cents per transaction.
    OK. I will stop supporting any entity that is anti-gun. Now all I have to do is spend 36 hours a day, 8 days a week, researching EVERYTHING I spend money on. Does the company that makes highway lane-line paint support gun rights or not? If not, I suppose I have to give up driving. What about the company that makes the knob on my gear shift, or the cans for my dog food? I spend more than $100,000 every year. How do you propose I investigate every company that is behind every component of everything I buy? Democrats do not support gun rights. Do I have stop paying taxes when a democrat is in office, or just move out of the country? If so, to where? US of A has way more gun freedom than any other country on the planet. I take your point, and it is valid. IMHO, you are carrying it to a quite ridiculous extreme.
     

    Bassat

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    For many years I didn't become a site supporter because I thought I had to have a paypal account.

    I then realized I can pay with my credit card without having a paypal account.
    Some years back I posted about this realization, but I can't find the post.
    How much looking into your credit card issuer's position on gun rights did you do? Or into the company that makes the plastic and/or the magnetic strip for your card? Or the clearing house that manages your interbank transactions? Or the company that make the paper your monthly statement is printed on?
     

    firecadet613

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    How much looking into your credit card issuer's position on gun rights did you do? Or into the company that makes the plastic and/or the magnetic strip for your card? Or the clearing house that manages your interbank transactions? Or the company that make the paper your monthly statement is printed on?

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    two70

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    OK. I will stop supporting any entity that is anti-gun. Now all I have to do is spend 36 hours a day, 8 days a week, researching EVERYTHING I spend money on. Does the company that makes highway lane-line paint support gun rights or not? If not, I suppose I have to give up driving. What about the company that makes the knob on my gear shift, or the cans for my dog food? I spend more than $100,000 every year. How do you propose I investigate every company that is behind every component of everything I buy? Democrats do not support gun rights. Do I have stop paying taxes when a democrat is in office, or just move out of the country? If so, to where? US of A has way more gun freedom than any other country on the planet. I take your point, and it is valid. IMHO, you are carrying it to a quite ridiculous extreme.
    It doesn't have to be all or nothing nor does it require exhaustive research to avoid the companies that make their anti-gun stance readily apparent.
     

    ECS686

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    Meh.

    PayPal has always been an option for INGO Site Supporter purchase. From the beginning.

    Paypal has also always chosen not to partake in firearm sales. It's their choice and they have been open about it. Choosing not to handle firearm sales does not make a company anti-gun.

    Now maybe if Paypal contributes to and supports anti-gun groups, like Walmart and Levi Straus does, then we could call them anti-gun?


    :twocents:
    ^^THIS^^

    The issue is like trying to buy strictly American in a global market is hard.

    Sticking to companies that haven’t been 100% pro gun or one that hasn’t supported an opposing political agenda you will be hard pressed to find.

    And saying you will just boycot is BS and does nothing but maybe make you feel better. Remember Dicks when everyone was supposed to be mad? they didn’t care as gun sales were never their claim to fame they sell more sports stuff to kids and soccer moms than gun stuff to folks like us.

    You will be hard pressed to always be 100% aligned with all the companies we have to use that has your same political position cable, clothes medical insurance I could go on but you should get the point.
     

    bwframe

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    ^^THIS^^

    The issue is like trying to buy strictly American in a global market is hard.

    Sticking to companies that haven’t been 100% pro gun or one that hasn’t supported an opposing political agenda you will be hard pressed to find.

    And saying you will just boycot is BS and does nothing but maybe make you feel better. Remember Dicks when everyone was supposed to be mad? they didn’t care as gun sales were never their claim to fame they sell more sports stuff to kids and soccer moms than gun stuff to folks like us.

    You will be hard pressed to always be 100% aligned with all the companies we have to use that has your same political position cable, clothes medical insurance I could go on but you should get the point.

    I think PayPal got away from handling gun transactions in fear of liability issues? When the anti's first attempted to sue gun companies and charge card companies for dealing with them, PayPal just opted out?


    :dunno:
     

    Creedmoor

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    I've had a PayPal business debit since 2007 and a reg account before that.
    I've bought guns, ammo and reloading equipment and consumables most likely a few hundred transactions, and have never had a problem using it. Not once.
     

    ECS686

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    I think PayPal got away from handling gun transactions in fear of liability issues? When the anti's first attempted to sue gun companies and charge card companies for dealing with them, PayPal just opted out?


    :dunno:
    I know a few folks that buck at eventbright because they lean towards anti gun groups and Canadate but some national training folks use them for convenience

    It’s hard to get away from them 100%
     

    Creedmoor

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    For many years I didn't become a site supporter because I thought I had to have a paypal account.

    I then realized I can pay with my credit card without having a paypal account.
    Some years back I posted about this realization, but I can't find the post.
    But yet, your still not a Site Supporter. :stickpoke:
     

    edporch

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    How much looking into your credit card issuer's position on gun rights did you do? Or into the company that makes the plastic and/or the magnetic strip for your card? Or the clearing house that manages your interbank transactions? Or the company that make the paper your monthly statement is printed on?
    If I boycotted every product that was made in part with parts in the production chain from companies that support something left wing, I'd be nude with no food to eat, vehicle to drive, anyplace to live, etc.
     

    bwframe

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    You can overthink the problem both directions. I believe it's in our best interest to NOT support anti-gun companies.

    Sometimes it's tough to make the right decision on things you have become used to. It took me years of "justifying" to finally find my way out of Levi jeans.

    The other side of the overthinking are those that are too overwhelmed by the anti's reach to even make any effort to avoid giving money to them. We often see this excuse boldy used. (I could never buy anything, if I had to...)

    I don't shop at Walmart much for this very reason and others, but every year or two they are the only realistic choice. Had to have a car battery earlier this year. (Wally's was local and way underpriced compared to every other retailer.) Walmart certainly makes WAY less money from me than if they were a 2A supporter though.

    A lot of "us" couldn't or wouldn't live without our iPhone, right? Just take a google into Tim Cook's public statements on guns... :nono:
    That's an easy one for me to boycott since there has never been an apple product in my house. :)
    How many "guntubers," gun industry folks and other influencers have an iPhone in their pockets?

    :twocents:
     
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    marvin02

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    I've had a PayPal business debit since 2007 and a reg account before that.
    I've bought guns, ammo and reloading equipment and consumables most likely a few hundred transactions, and have never had a problem using it. Not once.
    You might want to research the Paypal terms of service.


     

    Cameramonkey

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    This. There isnt a problem until there is one.

    If you have a dispute relating to a prohibited purchase, they will just tell you to pound sand.

    Its a bigger issue on the EFT and auction end, but I'm sure they'll also do it for credit card customers as well.
     

    Creedmoor

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    OneBadV8

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    You can overthink the problem both directions. I believe it's in our best interest to NOT support anti-gun companies.
    one of the easy ways to do this is to also support local businesses when possible. You're more likely to know the people and that money is more likely to have a greater impact in your community and stay local. so what it's a few dollars more, it all stays local instead of lining corporations that don't really care. :twocents:
     

    bwframe

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    I only do "gifts to friends" via PayPal. They are convenient and easy for this. There are no fees for gifts, nor are there guarantees of anything from the other side of the transaction. You are at the mercy of your own judgement of the other party involved to follow through, replying to your gift.

    I signed up with Paypal initially to pay INGO Site Supporter status when INGO first made it available. I had to study up (as everyone should,) back then to not fall for the wives tail of "PayPal is anti-gun."
     
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