I believe Savage makes, or did make, a smokeless powder muzzle.I know SP in muzzleloaders is verboten, but are there any 'new' muzzle loading firearms designed specifically for use with smokeless propellants'?
They are rare, but yes there are muzzleloaders that are designed for smokeless.
They are -not- for the faint of heart.. you have to be meticulous about not overcharging them.
Unlike cap and ball, these use a brass cartridge case with rifle primer, with the front cut off. This is to seal the back from gasses coming out.
Mostly used so someone can go out in Muzzleloader season, with a 700 yard gun..
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Basically you have a barrel that is bored straight through. Usually 45. The end of the barrel is set up to use a short 45 cartridge loaded primer only. The bolt locks into this just as if it was a brass cartridge. Further up the barrel, you have your barrel plug with a flash hole threaded in where the head of the chamber would have been. The plug sits right against where the rifling starts.I have been researching loads for a couple of old 38-55 rifles which is a cartridge rifle and seen a guy talking about loading them from the muzzle with black powder. He stated that's what major shooters did for competition. Couldn't find any other info on it. I was wondering how in the hell do you use a cartridge rifle as a muzzleloader. Now I have an idea but wouldn't try it without further knowledge.
I bet that farmer wasn't happyIve had mine out to 900 yards (wouldn't shoot a deer that far), but at 450 yards I put a 3 inch group in bull.
I bet that farmer wasn't happy
I've never heard of smokeless powder muzzleloaders until this thread.
I don't do that much with a muzzleloader other than 50-75yds deer hunting. These smokeless muzzleloaders would be overkill unless I was in Alaska or Africa.
275gr bullet at 3000fps that is extremely powerful. I'd imagine that would take care of the biggest game in Africa.Not as much as you think. You can buy an encode barrel (not going to do anything like mine) around 1k, and never clean again.
Still overkill, but I shot so much BP in my youth I quit ML hunting because I shot 100-150 rounds a year getting ready for season, cleaning every 3 rounds.
Cleaning 1 gun 50 times a year turned me off that aspect of hunting. Smokeless revived it.
275gr bullet at 3000fps that is extremely powerful. I'd imagine that would take care of the biggest game in Africa.
It would be a fun hunt also.
I use H4198. I'm running a 275gr bullet to bore (ie no sabot) from arrowhead.What kind of powder, bullets and loadings do you smokeless powder guys use?
I really wish I would have picked one of those up back in the day.I have a Savage Ml-2 smokeless. It is awesome! 45 caliber. Deadly on deer and coyotes. Absolutely a blast to shoot. I just premeasure my powder loads into vials, run a saboted 45 cal bullet, and a 209 primer, and I’m good to go. I keep a witness mark on my ramrod so I’m sure I load it to the same point every time (no double loads). View attachment 252482