Serious topic, what if they ban the AR-15

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    That's a very conservative estimate. It's likely double or even triple that number.
    I felt that number was low, very low. then again maybe they were talking just about indiana.. lol
    Idk anybody that owns an ar that has just one. I also don't know anyone that owns more than a signle gun that doesn't own an ar or some other "scary" rifle
     

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    I felt that number was low, very low. then again maybe they were talking just about indiana.. lol
    Idk anybody that owns an ar that has just one. I also don't know anyone that owns more than a signle gun that doesn't own an ar or some other "scary" rifle

    that number probably doesn’t count all the AR pistols, “firearms” and bare lowers
     

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    Bringing the thread back from the rabbit hole, I see the following:

    1. The leftists of today are far more brazen and hard-core than their counterparts of 25 or 30 years ago.

    2. The hate is far more intense today. They have made it clear that they don't want merely to tip the balance of political power but want to eradicate us. If in doubt consider the talk about sending us to reeducation camps. THEY ARE NOT JOKING! Don't ever forget that.

    3. They have no respect for the law, from the Constitution down. They will use it when convenient, just as Satan will use scripture to prove a point, but they despise it, especially the Constitution itself and have no intention of honoring it. By extension, don't expect to see police disarming their brownshirts.

    4. Don't be surprised to see Biden spending Wednesday afternoon unveiling a knee-deep stack of executive orders. Even if they don't hold up in court it will buy enough time to get crap through Congress.

    5. Don't expect any grandfather clauses. Today's leftists are applying a no compromise push to get everything they want at once. Further, they do not want merely to slow or stop the introduction of more weapons suitable for defense but want them eliminated altogether. They are willing to accept nothing short of their final goal of us being left with our naked butts sticking up in the air.

    6. Commie Joe said he intends to define semiautomatic weapons and "high capacity" magazines as NFA weapons. BELIEVE HIM! Contrary to the assertions of a couple of our resident idiots, we are in for a full court press. This isn't going to be forgotten rhetoric as it has been at some points in the past. The sharks taste blood in the water and are closing in on us.

    7. All told, you had better be prepared to either roll over and turn in everything you have that doesn't just scream for Elmer Fudd or else be prepared to go all in on the cold dead hands thing. Then again, they could go for the Fudd guns at the same time teaching a hard lesson about throwing people on your own side under the bus for a false sense of assurance.
    Bracken Collection essay number 16… Who’s going to collect them all?
     

    IndyDave1776

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    Bracken Collection essay number 16… Who’s going to collect them all?
    I see it working out to a game of attrition. We will see more DHS VIPR teams conducting illegal searches setting up in situations where they say you aren't compelled to walk into the trap but really are. My favorite example is camping weigh stations which we truck drivers cannot legally skip. Most people will roll over rather than the alternative. The same can be accomplished at the parking garages, Wal-Mart parking lots, basically anywhere there is a bottleneck. Think of it like seatbelt checkpoints on steroids. They won't really need to run around kicking in doors, at least not until the easier, higher payout alternatives have been exhausted.
     

    IndyDave1776

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    Don't forget, see something say something campaigns. Using family as informants via the schools.
    It's a short jump to set up criminal charges if you know someone has them and don't report it to the authorities.
    Can't happen? Look at history.
    Hell, there are ***holes on here who would rat, believe it.
    I would anticipate a solid majority dropping their pants, grabbing their ankles, and singing like canaries about everyone and everything as the turn their own stuff in.
     

    indykid

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    I told my socialist friend when Biden whom he voted for tells him to turn in his Bushmaster ACR which are running over $3200 right now that I would buy it for $201.99. He then said he would not comply to said law. Did he just flip from leftist to somewhat right?
    Nope, he is just realizing how much money he has in his rifle and the money is what he cares about.
     

    DadSmith

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    That's a very conservative estimate. It's likely double or even triple that number.
    I agree. Just 80% lowers that have been sold and finished is an astounding number. I knew a guy who made 24 firearms from them before he passed on. Where they are now who knows. I'm sure there are thousands if not millions of 80% AR15's and Poly 80's out there in full operating order.
     

    miguel

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    So, I'll go out onto the thin ice since I haven't seen this question asked on any forum that I visit and always love to hear from the many founts, springs and rivers of wisdom that frequent this site. :)

    If a bill were passed permitting continued ownership of firearms of type X - let's say any AR, AK, SKS, FAL, etc. to keep it simple - but required their registration under NFA, how would this be any different than people owning items currently registered under NFA? People have had these items and followed this regulation for decades, and while they may not like it, they've survived.

    Ya'll certainly know I'm no glowie or commie, and I do understand how the times and Overton window have shifted in the last 30 years especially recently, but how much would this actually change the reality on the ground for firearms ownership? Agreed we would have to read the legislation...

    p.s. And make your arguments good, 'cause I don't buy that, "Well, now they don't know that you own XYZ..." which may be true if you shop the classified and gun show parking lots exclusively, but the vast majority of the people on this site have had a 4473 run on them and I do not doubt that the MIC, despite their claims that data isn't recorded, do keep a record of, at least, WHO bought something, though maybe not WHAT was bought. And if they don't, I can guaran-****ing-tee you a couple of calls to Visa, MasterCard, Discover and AmEx would get them the details PDQ. Analytics is not your friend...
     

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    There is a huuuuuuuge difference in having your name on a 4473 somewhere and having a gun registered with serial number in an NFA database.

    If there is one thing we know about .gov, is that they absolutely suck when it comes to analytics, crunching numbers and having systems that talk to each other. Look at how terrible they are at compiling and reporting data around COVID cases.

    Hell, info from state and local LEAs is almost never integrated into federal systems. How many accused criminals have been let free because an agency doesn't realize there are warrants out for them? The bureaucracy and various disparate networks works against the existing system. Centralizing all of the data with the ATF changes the game. Why make it easier for them in any way?
     

    jbombelli

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    Because they can open and close the registry whenever they want. You know all transferable machine guns are several decades old and cost tens of thousands of dollars, making them unaffordable to most people, right? And that the number of them available for purchase is minuscule, right?

    All those firearms that end up on the registry will end up the same way.
     

    miguel

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    Great input. Some follow ups, offered respectfully and with curiosity...
    There is a huuuuuuuge difference in having your name on a 4473 somewhere and having a gun registered with serial number in an NFA database.

    If there is one thing we know about .gov, is that they absolutely suck when it comes to analytics, crunching numbers and having systems that talk to each other. Look at how terrible they are at compiling and reporting data around COVID cases.

    Hard to argue that, but many, many people are already in the NFA db. Six figure head count, most likely? Yet they've kept possession of their items for years and many can be transferred, as I understand it. (major PITA, but it can be done, right?) Does "playing along" and registering items buy time for a yet unseen event in the future (bad or good) that is the final red line?

    And I agree .gov sucks at data, but it will take one phone call to Google to get three or four product managers/architects assigned to the task to solve this kind of problem. They bring in another 500 H1Bs from Kamala's homeland and the problem will be solved in short order.

    Because they can open and close the registry whenever they want. You know all transferable machine guns are several decades old and cost tens of thousands of dollars, making them unaffordable to most people, right? And that the number of them available for purchase is minuscule, right?

    All those firearms that end up on the registry will end up the same way.
    Yes, I do know that. One thing I don't know...if you own a "real" AK, M16, etc. and the barrel or any other part gives up the ghost, is the registrant allowed to replace the parts or is it game over?

    Again, not supporting throwing up the white flag or trying to discourage anyone, but a little bit of advocatus diaboli never hurt anyone when trying to bring difficult decisions into focus for people who need help making a potentially life altering decision.

    Keep it coming.
     

    jbombelli

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    Great input. Some follow ups, offered respectfully and with curiosity...


    Hard to argue that, but many, many people are already in the NFA db. Six figure head count, most likely? Yet they've kept possession of their items for years and many can be transferred, as I understand it. (major PITA, but it can be done, right?) Does "playing along" and registering items buy time for a yet unseen event in the future (bad or good) that is the final red line?

    And I agree .gov sucks at data, but it will take one phone call to Google to get three or four product managers/architects assigned to the task to solve this kind of problem. They bring in another 500 H1Bs from Kamala's homeland and the problem will be solved in short order.


    Yes, I do know that. One thing I don't know...if you own a "real" AK, M16, etc. and the barrel or any other part gives up the ghost, is the registrant allowed to replace the parts or is it game over?

    Again, not supporting throwing up the white flag or trying to discourage anyone, but a little bit of advocatus diaboli never hurt anyone when trying to bring difficult decisions into focus for people who need help making a potentially life altering decision.

    Keep it coming.
    I know if the registered part is what breaks, its done. It cannot be repaired.
     

    jbombelli

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    Frig...so is the registered part always the receiver or can that vary?
    That can vary. It can be the receiver, a drop-in auto sear, a lightning link, a coat hanger piece, shoe lace, any number of things. But any of them has to have been made and registered before the 1986 cutoff.

    And yes, there really is a piece of string out there that is a registered machine gun.
     

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