Serious topic, what if they ban the AR-15

[nonobaddog]

I don't have any NFA items. I am with you in wondering why someone who is already on the list would refuse to register a firearm category newly added to the NFA. Other than the $200 tax, of course, but when the ATF was rumbling about adding braced pistols to the NFA, they did float a potential "free" registration. Would probably be the same for newly added "assault rifles."

Where did you get that information?

 

[Route 45]

Where did you get that information?

Withdrawn letter a few weeks back regarding pistol braces. I did say probably for "assault rifles," as I have no idea, but can't imagine a mandatory tax on millions of currently owned semi-auto rifles. Democrats own guns, too.

The text regarding braced pistols:

ATF understands that most individuals who acquired affected stabilizer-equipped firearms did so in good-faith reliance on representations, made by those selling the stabilizing braces or the firearms, that those firearms were not subject to the NFA.

Consequently, following issuance of this notice, ATF and DOJ plan to implement a separate process by which current possessors of affected stabilizer-equipped firearms may choose to register such firearms to be compliant with the NFA. As part of that process, ATF plans to expedite processing of these applications, and ATF has been informed that the Attorney General plans retroactively to exempt such firearms from the collection of NFA taxes if they were made or acquired, prior to the publication of this notice, in good faith.

Federal Register :: Request Access

 

[GIJEW]

I'm getting close, but no banana yet. LOL

Let me put it a different way...

There appear to be people on this site who, based on their historical posts, have NFA items registered, but are saying they won't register their semi-auto AR/AK/etc as an NFA item if a new law is passed requiring such.

I'm not trying to bust anyone's balls about this, I just find that seeming contradiction interesting and am wondering why, if one already has an NFA item, would they not want to add one more to the list? What makes it the deal breaker?

And no, I am not FBI, ATF, DHS, CCP, BLM or YMCA...nor do I want anyone to have to register a damn thing as an NFA item. Just curious for someone to articulate the deal breaking nature of that point of view is.

I'm like an INGO Jacques Cousteau that way...

Your question was working on the false premise that just because they made people pay a big tax by 1935 standards and made people register their 'NFA' weapons, that they won't do more this time.
In 1935 congress was posturing like they were "doing something" about gangsters like bonnie&clyde. The commie-crats that stole the election are determined to turn the US into a socialist dystopia and destroy the Constitution. That includes the 2A and our ability to fight them if peaceful means fail.
The purpose of making semi-autos NFA guns, is to create a hit-list of their owners, to make confiscation plausible. kind of like a jab to set up a right cross...but it's obvious and you knew that. Right?

 

[Tyler-The-Piker]

"Banned" once before, simply grandfathered in the old ones, some minor mods on the new ones.

Another scare tactic BS round of crap.

"O'Bammers cumin fer yer GUNS"!
For the last 12 years is getting REAL old...

Just as a side note...
There ARE other semi-auto rifles in the wild besides ARs and Chinese AK clones.

About as bothersome as a single cloud on a sunny day to me.

 

[dieselrealtor]

I know this video has been posted before but that source may have been pulled down.

black & white;

 

[miguel]

Your question was working on the false premise that just because they made people pay a big tax by 1935 standards and made people register their 'NFA' weapons, that they won't do more this time.
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The purpose of making semi-autos NFA guns, is to create a hit-list of their owners, to make confiscation plausible. kind of like a jab to set up a right cross...but it's obvious and you knew that. Right?

Well, I was nevery trying to make a conclusion, so I wouldn't say I had a false (or true) permise. Just looking to get people's two cents on the issue.
I believe there is already "a hit-list" and most all of us are on it, NFA ownership or not. I'd prefer to keep $200 or whatever a fee might be in my pocket, but wanted to know why people already on the publicly known (NFA) list would object to adding another item to their inventory. Of course I know why someone not on the NFA list would object to being added to it.

 

[nonobaddog]

Well, I was nevery trying to make a conclusion, so I wouldn't say I had a false (or true) permise. Just looking to get people's two cents on the issue.
I believe there is already "a hit-list" and most all of us are on it, NFA ownership or not. I'd prefer to keep $200 or whatever a fee might be in my pocket, but wanted to know why people already on the publicly known (NFA) list would object to adding another item to their inventory. Of course I know why someone not on the NFA list would object to being added to it.

It is more than just the person being on the list. The item on the list is more restricted. You will have a harder time selling it for one thing.
Plus they will then know where these items are that they intend to confiscate just as soon as they can. That is what gun registration is.

 

[jbombelli]

It is more than just the person being on the list. The item on the list is more restricted. You will have a harder time selling it for one thing.
Plus they will then know where these items are that they intend to confiscate just as soon as they can. That is what gun registration is.

You'll also have to tell the BATFE whenever you plan to take it out of state and where you're going.

You'll have to get law enforcement clearance for your purchase, whether from a store or private individual. In person. In writing. With picture and prints.

But wait... There's more!

Wait times are usually several months long to get your tax stamp, and you cannot possess your rifle in the meantime.

Congress can just close the registry any time they want. And they eventually will, just like they did with machine guns.

 

[AtTheMurph]

Originally, the Bill of Rights, incuding the 2nd Amendment only applied to the federal government.

Each state had it's own army, and the states didn't want the federal government to have the power to make arms laws for the states.
Originally, each state had the power to write it's own firearms laws.
AND ALL federal firearm laws were unconstitutional.

Not "originally". The constitution has not been amended to change what is says on the matter.

Fed govt has been given no power to infringe our God given right to bear arms. The state of Indiana, based on it's Constitution, has no power to do so either.

All Federal laws restricting arms are unconstitutional as anyone with a 5th grade reading comprehension can see plainly. (as the Constitution was written so that the common man could read and understand it, it means what is says, no matter what the SCOTUS seems to think.)

 

[The Bubba Effect]

My opposition to registration is that registration is a step to confiscation.

I know that the nfa registry has not yet been used for confiscation, but that does not change my thoughts on the issue. Confiscation is a "line in the sand" issue for me.

If we don't allow registration, our children are not faced with confiscation and our grandchildren are not faced with boxcar.

Call me what you will, but I have spent a good chunk of my life studying history and "We were so sure it couldn't happen to us" is a common refrain throughout history.

 

[The Bubba Effect]

Not "originally". The constitution has not been amended to change what is says on the matter.

Fed govt has been given no power to infringe our God given right to bear arms. The state of Indiana, based on it's Constitution, has no power to do so either.

All Federal laws restricting arms are unconstitutional as anyone with a 5th grade reading comprehension can see plainly. (as the Constitution was written so that the common man could read and understand it, it means what is says, no matter what the SCOTUS seems to think.)

Plain language recognized our rights, regardless to what any gaggle of lawyers have to say on the matter.

 

[dieselrealtor]

Imagine if you will, a "fictional" story in which the storyline goes something like this.

In the wee hours of the morning, cel service is interrupted, internet service is interrupted, social media is interrupted, radio transmission blocked, landline phone is interrupted (maybe with the exception of 911) while massive organized raids invade thousands of homes over the course of several hours that have registered hardware as well as other homes suspected to have certain hardware. No advanced warning, no communication to others concerning what is happening, confused neighbors wondering what is going on. Those who resisted were detained in an undisclosed facility.

I know I know, tin foil hat, blah blah blah.

Fact is that I never thought in my lifetime I would see;
election fraud on such a massive scale left effectively unchecked
arguments made that political opposition & suspicion is not protected speech
media that completely tries to silence opposing views
coordination of the same from multiple outlets
federal law enforcement agency corruption at top levels that is so deep that it is virtually impossible to fix.

shall I go on?

Make no mistake, other liberties & freedoms including religious freedoms will quickly be under assault following the "effective removal" of the 1st & the 2nd amendment, if not during the process.

I know there may be some trolls that chime in & deny some of what I have said. I don't really understand why they are here. People typically form friendships & aquaintences with those who they have things in common with. Several here really seem to have not much in common with those in the gun community at large.

 

[miguel]

Imagine if you will, a "fictional" story in which the storyline goes something like this.

In the wee hours of the morning, cel service is interrupted, internet service is interrupted, social media is interrupted, radio transmission blocked, landline phone is interrupted (maybe with the exception of 911) while massive organized raids invade thousands of homes over the course of several hours that have registered hardware as well as other homes suspected to have certain hardware. No advanced warning, no communication to others concerning what is happening, confused neighbors wondering what is going on. Those who resisted were detained in an undisclosed facility.

I know I know, tin foil hat, blah blah blah.

Fact is that I never thought in my lifetime I would see;
election fraud on such a massive scale left effectively unchecked
arguments made that political opposition & suspicion is not protected speech
media that completely tries to silence opposing views
coordination of the same from multiple outlets
federal law enforcement agency corruption at top levels that is so deep that it is virtually impossible to fix.

shall I go on?

Make no mistake, other liberties & freedoms including religious freedoms will quickly be under assault following the "effective removal" of the 1st & the 2nd amendment, if not during the process.

I know there may be some trolls that chime in & deny some of what I have said. I don't really understand why they are here. People typically form friendships & aquaintences with those who they have things in common with. Several here really seem to have not much in common with those in the gun community at large.

Nice post!

 

[BigRed]

I would turn mine in..... I would kut in line right behind the first guy in line.

 

[foszoe]

I would turn mine in..... I would kut in line right behind the first guy in line.

Kut in line?

 

[churchmouse]

Kut in line?

Yeah I saw what he did there...

 

[XbigcheezX]

It could be the $200 per item tax. Or it might be the restrictions placed on NFA items, and the rest.

I paid $199 for a suppressor, and $200 for the tax stamp. Literally paid over 100% tax for the privilege to own it.

 

[JeepHammer]

If you were around then and following it, you'd remember the only reason for the grandfathering with the 10 year gun and magazine ban was because the left didn't have the votes for more.
And they really hated that.
The left is never going to stop coming at us and chipping away at our rights no matter how long it takes for them to succeed.

Actually I do remember that 94 'Ban' quite well...
It was "Tough On Crime" FAR RIGHT that insisted on the import ban and "Assault Weapons" ban after a bunch of dope & drive by shootings.

(Collective) 'You' can try to spin it anyway you want to, but I was there, remember it well, and have no problem calling it like it was.

 

[JeepHammer]

I don't have any NFA items. I am with you in wondering why someone who is already on the list would refuse to register a firearm category newly added to the NFA. Other than the $200 tax, of course, but when the ATF was rumbling about adding braced pistols to the NFA, they did float a potential "free" registration. Would probably be the same for newly added "assault rifles."

I DO have NFA items, completely legal.
I also just passed 5 different FBI/Homeland background checks to keep a Hazardous Materials/Bio Terrorism/TWIC to get in & out of military bases, go into food production facilities, etc.
I have to clear these every 3-5 years.

Now *IF* you remember back in the 90s, there was an idea floated about a ONE TIME background check that allowed you high capacity magazines, detachable magazine semi-auto magazines, etc,

This wasn't for the firearms, it was for the OWNERS.
The idea was, gang banger gets caught with no owners card/background check, automatic 25+ in prison.

The NRA went 'Full Special', came completely off the rails, and has wound up bankrupt (woke up sticky, broke, confused and saying "It's just a cold sore").

Actually I'm all for a push an Indiana State Trooper pushed a few years back (like 20 or so),
Put a red 'FP' on Firearms Prohibited folks state ID & drivers licences.
A green 'FR' on folks that are Restricted to long firearms only,
A green 'CC' on Concealed Carry holders.

Let's the police know who they are dealing with right away, lets judges pull licences/IDs in the court room when the wife beater or dope suspect comes before them...
A slip from the court and they go get a new driver's licence or ID card...

But then again, I'm sure we will hear violent opposition from those that can't pass the background check in the first place...

 

[Tyler-The-Piker]

yikes.