Russia vs. Ukraine Part 2

[Libertarian01]

Don't we have hundreds, if not thousands, of old M60's just collecting dust that we could send?

Not an armour expert, but wasn't that our big tank before the Abrams took over?

I've seen pictures of thousands of fighters, bombers, trucks, etc we keep around "just in case."

I figure if the Russians are pulling out crap from the 50's and 60's since the Ukrainians have blown up most of their good stuff with Javelins, then any of our older stuff would at least be on parity and give the Ukrainians a severe edge with numbers.

Regards,

Doug

 

[Brad69]

You are on the intercom system with the TC. I know some German vehicles have them.

 

[DadSmith]

US defense industry unprepared for a China fight, says report

"War between major powers is likely to be a protracted, industrial-style conflict that needs a robust defense industry."

www.defensenews.com

Maybe this was the goal all along for Bidens handlers.

 

[Brad69]

I think we sold most if not all of the M60‘s and spare parts.

 

[Sylvain]

Don't we have hundreds, if not thousands, of old M60's just collecting dust that we could send?

Not an armour expert, but wasn't that our big tank before the Abrams took over?

I've seen pictures of thousands of fighters, bombers, trucks, etc we keep around "just in case."

I figure if the Russians are pulling out crap from the 50's and 60's since the Ukrainians have blown up most of their good stuff with Javelins, then any of our older stuff would at least be on parity and give the Ukrainians a severe edge with numbers.

Regards,

Doug

I think the Russians have not yet sent their best tanks ... but I could be wrong.

You don't want to be in a M-60 facing their new Armata.

I think they deployed old tanks, then even older tanks ... and are keeping their best stuff in storage.

 

[spencer rifle]

I think the Russians have not yet sent their best tanks ... but I could be wrong.

You don't want to be in a M-60 facing their new Armata.

I think they deployed old tanks, then even older tanks ... and are keeping their best stuff in storage.

If in keeping with their current hardware, their best stuff is likely to have issues related to corruption in the procurement process and complex technology in the production process. To quote Lt. Cmdr. Montgomery Scott, "The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain."

 

[BigMoose]

I guess in the military if you stopped doing "dangerous things that could get you killed if not made carefully" then you wouldn't be doing much.

Maybe they are less used that before now with wireless headsets and modern radio equipment.

Do you know if they are only used as an intercom to talk to the driver/commander, or if it can be used as a giant walkie talkie to talk to other vehicles?

Maybe they can place collect calls to their family ...

Ether or. It has a selector on it run from the commanders position.

USMC was the largest user of them. Radio heavy Army cav units never use them, but they are kept operational anyway. Army infantry units somewhere in the middle.

 

[BigMoose]

Don't we have hundreds, if not thousands, of old M60's just collecting dust that we could send?

Not an armour expert, but wasn't that our big tank before the Abrams took over?

I've seen pictures of thousands of fighters, bombers, trucks, etc we keep around "just in case."

I figure if the Russians are pulling out crap from the 50's and 60's since the Ukrainians have blown up most of their good stuff with Javelins, then any of our older stuff would at least be on parity and give the Ukrainians a severe edge with numbers.

Regards,

Doug

US stocks of M60 Pattons are long gone

 

[BigMoose]

You are on the intercom system with the TC. I know some German vehicles have them.

There is a selector on some tanks the commander can turn to let the dismount use the onboard radio. Rarely used.

 

[BugI02]

It’s a German design produced under license for the M1. Similar to the Chobham armor which was designed by the British and also used on the M1 tank.

Rheinmetall 120 mm gun

The Rheinmetall 120 mm gun is a smoothbore tank gun designed and produced by the West German Rheinmetall-DeTec AG company, developed in response to Soviet advances in armor technology and development of new armored threats. Production began in 1974, with the first version of the gun, known as...

military-history.fandom.com

But are the rounds interchangeable in a pinch? And would rounds designed for longer or shorter barrels interfere with the programming driving targeting (due to lower or higher MV)

 

[Wolfhound]

But are the rounds interchangeable in a pinch? And would rounds designed for longer or shorter barrels interfere with the programming driving targeting (due to lower or higher MV)

Based on what I read the rounds for the shorter gun (Abrams) can be used in the longer gun (Leopard 2). NATO does have standards for ammunition and artillery rounds to allow some interchanging of ammunition amongst member nations.

 

[jamil]

Don't we have hundreds, if not thousands, of old M60's just collecting dust that we could send?

Not an armour expert, but wasn't that our big tank before the Abrams took over?

I've seen pictures of thousands of fighters, bombers, trucks, etc we keep around "just in case."

I figure if the Russians are pulling out crap from the 50's and 60's since the Ukrainians have blown up most of their good stuff with Javelins, then any of our older stuff would at least be on parity and give the Ukrainians a severe edge with numbers.

Regards,

Doug

I think we need to send big bags filled with nothing. And not new bags. Like the empty grocery bags you have yo throw away anyway. In other words, we don’t have to send anything. That would be my preference.

 

[Compatriot G]

Abrams was designed for quick dashes between prepared fighting positions.
Fuel efficiency was a secondary consideration. (russia invading Europe)

I was an M60A1 tanker in the Marine Corps. The M60 used a diesel engine and they weren't fuel efficient either. If I remember correctly, we got 1/4 mpg with the M60.

 

[bobzilla]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...hells-German-Leopard-2-tanks-dirty-bombs.html

More pointless posturing?

 

[1DOWN4UP]

US defense industry unprepared for a China fight, says report

"War between major powers is likely to be a protracted, industrial-style conflict that needs a robust defense industry."

www.defensenews.com

Maybe this was the goal all along for Bidens handlers.

Soooo,was this the plan all along?

 

[BigMoose]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...hells-German-Leopard-2-tanks-dirty-bombs.html

More pointless posturing?

Yes, using anything remotely nuclear would remove any barriers holding back foreign intervention.

 

[BigMoose]

I was an M60A1 tanker in the Marine Corps. The M60 used a diesel engine and they weren't fuel efficient either. If I remember correctly, we got 1/4 mpg with the M60.

No tank is fuel efficient really, its just the M1 Abarams uses.. -even more- fuel then that.
The big killer is the idle fuel use on the M1.. Something that eventually forced the Army to install an APU unit on the M1A2. Its a small pony motor that lets the turbine be shut off when not on the move. This is something the older Abrams being supplied to the Ukrainians won't have. Note that the M60A1 isn't listed, but its got the same motor at the A3, your memory is pretty dead on.

 

[Hawkeye]

Yes, using anything remotely nuclear would remove any barriers holding back foreign intervention.

You do realize that the depleted uranium rounds are not even remotely nuclear, don"t you?

 

[Wolfhound]

You do realize that the depleted uranium rounds are not even remotely nuclear, don"t you?

Aren’t they mildly radioactive? Not that anyone would notice with the fighting that close to Chernobyl. Everything there is probably mildly radioactive or worse.

 

[Hawkeye]

Aren’t they mildly radioactive? Not that anyone would notice with the fighting that close to Chernobyl. Everything there is probably mildly radioactive or worse.

Pretty much everything metallic is "mildly radioactive". DU is used for "weight" and some pyrotechnic results inside the target as I understand it. Not radioactive results.