Russia vs. Ukraine Part 2

[BigMoose]

Maybe we need to dust off the failed Sargent York...

With the battlefield full of cheap drones... we need some bullet sprayers to deal with them.

M247 Sergeant York - Wikipedia

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[Hawkeye]

The Panzers are coming to face the Russian tanks. Something has not happened since WW2

Meanwhile the german vehicles already there, are quite effective.

The articles I've seen say that Germany has not yet approved the transfer of Leo 2's to Ukraine, either directly or via intermediaries like Poland and Finland.

 

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Ukraine war: Zelensky adviser says West’s 'indecision' is killing Ukrainians

Zelensky adviser tells West to "think faster" as pressure grows on countries to send tanks to Ukraine.

www.bbc.com

 

[1DOWN4UP]

More money...that's what I want.

 

[Sylvain]

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Ukraine war: Zelensky adviser says West’s 'indecision' is killing Ukrainians

Zelensky adviser tells West to "think faster" as pressure grows on countries to send tanks to Ukraine.

www.bbc.com

France agreed to send AMX-10 RC fighting vehicles to Ukraine within two months.

It's te closest thing to an actual tank that any EU country is sending so far.

France is also considering sending actual MBTs.

 

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[KellyinAvon]

WTAF-OVER??!!

 

[1DOWN4UP]

Plan B will work for sure.....no really!

 

[BigMoose]

France agreed to send AMX-10 RC fighting vehicles to Ukraine within two months.

It's te closest thing to an actual tank that any EU country is sending so far.

France is also considering sending actual MBTs.

There are not bad.. but mud season will not be kind to those.

 

[Flash-hider]

Donate their equipment to Ukraine? She must have listened to that cars-4-kids commercial too much.

 

[BigMoose]

Cuba barely has anything Ukraine would want...

 

[Brad69]

So does anybody else hear "war pigs" playing in the background?

 

[Brad69]

So does anybody else hear "war pigs" playing in the background?

 

[smokingman]

So now we are arming Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela to beat Russia in Ukraine.

This will set off some logic bombs I hope. When has arming dictators with US weapons EVER turned out well for the USA(see Iraq,Libya,Syria,Sierra Leone,ect)?

 

[Wolfhound]

I think the important word is “if” they want to donate their equipment to Ukraine. I can’t see Cuba or Venezuela giving their equipment to help a country fighting their biggest ally Russia. (Cuba could donate some 52 Chevys I guess). But yeah, it does sound a bit crazy.

 

[Hawkeye]

Cuba>. Sure. We have a lot of influence over Cuba and their arms.

 

[Sylvain]

There are not bad.. but mud season will not be kind to those.

They were designed during the cold war to face exactly that kind of terrain, and the same soviet era vehicles they will be facing in Ukraine.

They are 6x6 and light weight (around 17 tons), they have been deployed in Afghanistan (alongside US forces), in Africa in the sand, in the snow (with chains sometimes).

In France (and recently Romania) they train in the mud ...

 

[Sylvain]

The AMX 10-RC is known for its hydropneumatic suspension (like on the Citröen DS).

It can get to some funky angles.

Quite low to the ground for urban warfare to protect its wheels.

You can even use it to change the two front wheels without using a jack.

 

[AndreusMaximus]

The AMX 10-RC is known for its hydropneumatic suspension (like on the Citröen DS).

It can get to some funky angles.

Quite low to the ground for urban warfare to protect its wheels.

You can even use it to change the two front wheels without using a jack.

Nifty.

 

[BigMoose]

That suspension type is definitely a french thing, the car you can lift wheels without a jack to change tires.

They are -good- vehicles.. just I still have my doubts about them in the mud. But I am sure ukraine will put them to good use in any case.

As far as the Panzers (Leopards).. Germany gave the okay for Poland to transfer theirs... Or at least that they wouldn't stop Poland anyway.

Germany Okays A Dozen Polish Tanks For Ukraine. Hundreds More Could Follow.

Germany hasn’t just given Poland permission to send a dozen Leopard 2s to Ukraine. It may have signed off on a Polish-led, NATO effort that ultimately could send hundreds of tanks to Ukraine.

www.forbes.com

So yes. German Panzers and Russian T series tanks will once clash again in Ukraine..
"In an important reversal, the German government this weekend signaled it wouldn’t try to stop the government of Poland from supplying German-built Leopard 2 tanks to the Ukrainian army."