Russia vs. Ukraine Part 2

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    Wolfhound

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    This will work out well for America....
    Well, MAD worked well for decades.
    Problem is, you have to believe the other side CAN do it, and the other side WILL do it.

    Does anyone believe anyone is worried about our present leadership?

    Problem is, weak leaders DON'T FOLLOW THROUGH. So, wars are actually MORE likely with a weak leader.
     
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    Well that did it. It was enough to send the Russian populace screaming and running for the exits... literally.





    Anywhere they can get out of the country, they are......

    And it looks like the Tin Foil hat and Isolationist crew was here again...

    Russia has already heavily cannibalized its training regiments and sent them to the front.... just who is going to train all these mobilizations? The effect of this will be minimal for over 6 months. It will take ages to train anyone, if they can. And what will they use? Some old crap T-62? ages old AKs?

    As to the Nukes, its a hollow threat..

    In short. Ukraine has Russia on the ropes, using western supplied arms..

    As well as others, the Tank Corps captured pretty much intact at Izyum is a FRONT LINE Moscow unit. Scads of intact top of the line Russian T-80s/T-90s.

    Keep the beans and bullets flowing I say, Ivan may not recover from this mess for decades... don't listen to Putin. Appeasement doesn't work.

    cannon fodder requires less training
     

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    Well, MAD worked well for decades.
    Problem is, you have to believe the other side CAN do it, and the other side WILL do it.

    Does anyone believe anyone is worried about our present leadership?

    Problem is, weak leaders DO FOLLOW THROUGH. So, wars are actually MORE likely with a weak leader.
    Can we dig up Reagan or Kennedy yet?
    Honestly its been far too damn long since this country had an ex General as president, and hell do we need one of those right now.
    Preferably an ex USMC general.
     

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    Can we dig up Reagan or Kennedy yet?
    Honestly its been far too damn long since this country had an ex General as president, and hell do we need one of those right now.
    Preferably an ex USMC general.
    And yes, everyone was commenting on WARHAWK Reagan. during his tenure
    But, did anyone doubt he'd send men or material to anywhere?
     

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    At the end of the day I would like to think that Putin will be simply "retired" much like Georgy Malenkov, or Nikita Khrushchev, without a lot of fanfare. He has moved his country from an advantageous resource provider, to world pariah, in a relatively short period of time. At this point it all depends on what the man with the gun decides to do, if he won't shoot the people who refuse to report for duty, the foundation of power is gone.
     

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    I'm seeing unconfirmed reports that their is going to be three waves of 300k + drafts, and that this is just the first of the three.
    They are to get 1 month of training before being sent to Ukraine.
    Well that is if they don't leave the country first...

     

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    Well that is if they don't leave the country first...

    They now have military and recruitment agents at all border crossings and are not allowing 18-45 year old men to leave. I seen unconfirmed reports that men these ages attempting to leave are being conscripted on the spot.
     

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    They now have military and recruitment agents at all border crossings and are not allowing 18-45 year old men to leave. I seen unconfirmed reports that men these ages attempting to leave are being conscripted on the spot.
    That is an excellent way to make those you conscript decide that they need to point the gun AT YOU, not your enemy...
     

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    At the end of the day I would like to think that Putin will be simply "retired" much like Georgy Malenkov, or Nikita Khrushchev, without a lot of fanfare. He has moved his country from an advantageous resource provider, to world pariah, in a relatively short period of time. At this point it all depends on what the man with the gun decides to do, if he won't shoot the people who refuse to report for duty, the foundation of power is gone.
    Or pull an 'Andrei Karlov'...
     
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