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    Master
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    I’m with BigRed on this one…**** Obama, **** Biden and **** anyone who wants to infringe on the Second Amendment. Enough is enough and it’s time to regain lost rights, not cede more territory.
    And let's not forget 45. Big 2nd amendment supporter, right? FALSE.
    Remember this meeting?





    You're right, enough is enough. Just because some one is REP or DEM, does not equate to pro-2A or anti-2A.
     

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    And how would that happen?
    Hmmm, let's see. Should we start with what the MSM is calling the "Don't say gay bill," or the "Stop WOKE Act (for which he cannot even define what woke means) or telling Disney what they can and cannot say and what events they can host, or banning drag shows or...

    Wait, let's start with book bans. Fahrenheit 451 (Ray Bradbury, 1953) was written as fiction; but it is starting to become reality in Florida:

    To answer your question more specifically: He alone cannot repeal your 1A rights by himself anymore than Biden (or any other Dem) can repeal the 2A with the stroke of a pen. But anything is possible when the masses believe the FUD they spew and decide to vote in their favor...and THAT cuts both ways.
     

    sloppyjoe

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    Hmmm, let's see. Should we start with what the MSM is calling the "Don't say gay bill," or the "Stop WOKE Act (for which he cannot even define what woke means) or telling Disney what they can and cannot say and what events they can host, or banning drag shows or...

    Wait, let's start with book bans. Fahrenheit 451 (Ray Bradbury, 1953) was written as fiction; but it is starting to become reality in Florida:

    To answer your question more specifically: He alone cannot repeal your 1A rights by himself anymore than Biden (or any other Dem) can repeal the 2A with the stroke of a pen. But anything is possible when the masses believe the FUD they spew and decide to vote in their favor...and THAT cuts both ways.

    Let's keep the political discussions in the politics section. People looking for info on NFA items dont need to be sorting through pages of mud slinging just to find out how to submit an amnesty Form1.
     

    Born2vette

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    So did you see the ATF “clarified” the rule this week? Now saying

    “Other compliance options provided under the final rule are the following:

    • Remove the short barrel and attach a 16-inch or longer rifled barrel to the firearm,
    • Permanently remove and dispose of, or alter, the “stabilizing brace” such that it cannot be reattached,
    • Turn the firearm into your local ATF office,
    • Destroy the firearm “


    www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/factoring-criteria-firearms-attached-stabilizing-braces
     

    Cameramonkey

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    So did you see the ATF “clarified” the rule this week? Now saying

    “Other compliance options provided under the final rule are the following:

    • Remove the short barrel and attach a 16-inch or longer rifled barrel to the firearm,
    • Permanently remove and dispose of, or alter, the “stabilizing brace” such that it cannot be reattached,
    • Turn the firearm into your local ATF office,
    • Destroy the firearm “


    www.atf.gov/rules-and-regulations/factoring-criteria-firearms-attached-stabilizing-braces
    And remember kids, any intact brace you possess can be reattached no matter how far away from the pistol you store it.

    Which makes no sense since they also said braces are allowed to be sold as they themselves are not illegal per se. So in practice, anyone who owns an AR pistol and purchases a brace without first registering their SBR and getting their stamp is a felon. :xmad:
     

    profjeremy

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    Not sure if this was said previously in this thread or not, but as an interim step, it appears that anyone's who's a member of the Firearms Policy Coalition is party to the injunction recently issued by the federal judge that effectively stays the ATF rule until the case is decided.
    Interesting/funny twist, but well worth the $30 to join FPC (especially since they're the ones that fought this legally) so you don't melt your pistol braces in a fire. Haha
     

    Cameramonkey

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    Not sure if this was said previously in this thread or not, but as an interim step, it appears that anyone's who's a member of the Firearms Policy Coalition is party to the injunction recently issued by the federal judge that effectively stays the ATF rule until the case is decided.
    Interesting/funny twist, but well worth the $30 to join FPC (especially since they're the ones that fought this legally) so you don't melt your pistol braces in a fire. Haha
    According to more than one lawyer I have heard comment, if push came to shove you would most likely need to prove you were a member before the ruling. So dont count on yesterday's signup to protect you if you get nicked. There is a good chance it wont help you.

    EDIT: Putting a finer point on this. The Armed attorneys pointed out the wording of the ruling today:


    Per the Fifth Circuit’s Order:

    “This clarification is granted essentially for the reasons concisely set forth in the May 25, 2023, Plaintiffs-Appellants’ Reply to Their Opposed Motion for Clarification of Injunction Pending Appeal. . . Plaintiffs merely request clarification on whether their reading of the term ʻPlaintiffs’ to include the customers and members whose interests Plaintiffs Maxim Defense and Firearms Policy Coalition (ʻFPC’) have represented since day one of this litigation is correct.’ That reading is correct. Also as requested, the term “Plaintiffs in this case” includes the individual plaintiffs’ resident family members.” (my emphasis added)

    They say that this clarification means that to be covered you (probably) must be in the 5th circuit jurisdiction, AND you had to be a FPC member since the date the lawsuit was filed. So if you are here in Indiana and just joined the FPC in the last week, you wont be covered. And you MIGHT be covered if you were a member from day one and not in the 5th.

     
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    profjeremy

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    According to more than one lawyer I have heard comment, if push came to shove you would most likely need to prove you were a member before the ruling. So dont count on yesterday's signup to protect you if you get nicked. There is a good chance it wont help you.

    EDIT: Putting a finer point on this. The Armed attorneys pointed out the wording of the ruling today:


    Per the Fifth Circuit’s Order:

    “This clarification is granted essentially for the reasons concisely set forth in the May 25, 2023, Plaintiffs-Appellants’ Reply to Their Opposed Motion for Clarification of Injunction Pending Appeal. . . Plaintiffs merely request clarification on whether their reading of the term ʻPlaintiffs’ to include the customers and members whose interests Plaintiffs Maxim Defense and Firearms Policy Coalition (ʻFPC’) have represented since day one of this litigation is correct.’ That reading is correct. Also as requested, the term “Plaintiffs in this case” includes the individual plaintiffs’ resident family members.” (my emphasis added)

    They say that this clarification means that to be covered you (probably) must be in the 5th circuit jurisdiction, AND you had to be a FPC member since the date the lawsuit was filed. So if you are here in Indiana and just joined the FPC in the last week, you wont be covered. And you MIGHT be covered if you were a member from day one and not in the 5th.


    Good analysis! Well, that’s what I get for not reading the language myself, I guess. I support what the FPC is doing in any case (bringing actual lawsuits versus lobbying, like most other gun rights organizations), so I think the donation is still going to a good cause. If the ATF tries to push enforcement in other districts while this is pending, they’re definitely opening themselves up to getting lawsuits filed in more districts, with a precedent for injunctions now in place. Kinda feel like the short term goal of the ATF was all about scaring people into registering their pistols anyway (just my opinion).
     
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